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77Z28Banana
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posted November 14, 2003 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 77Z28Banana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      View 77Z28Banana's car!
ok guys, one more question, if I am changing the intake, carb, cam, etc . . . do I need to keep the EGR??? I called about my emmissions testing here and all they check for is a cat., smog pump, and fuel restrictor. I am a complete amature if you haven't caught on yet. What is egr anyways?

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Dan77
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posted November 14, 2003 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
Banana. Egr stands for exhaust gas recirculation. It takes partially unburned exhaust gasses and sends them back into the intake to be burned again. It is valve located on the passenger side of the intake, below the carb. Are you registering the car as a regular car, or are you registering it as an antique or historic motor vehicle? Most states dont require emission testing on cars registered as a historic ( 25 years old or older ) motor vehicle. Some states do not charge an annual registration fee either, for historic motor vehicle. Dan

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Dirt Reynolds
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posted November 14, 2003 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirt Reynolds   Click Here to Email Dirt Reynolds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Dan - your close. The exhaust gases that are metered back into the intake via the EGR valve, cannot be burned again, as this gas is now inert. What it does do, is act as a heat sink, and actually cools down the combustion chamber, therefore reducing NoX -nitrides of oxygen. During the combustion process, the heat spike can reach 1200-1500+ degrees F. The introduced inert gases are much cooler than that and therefore draw a lot of heat out of the process, hence the 'heat sink'. The problem with EGR is that this exhaust gas takes up space in the combustion chamber that could be occupied by air and fuel, which cuts into engine efficiency. At WOT, engine vacuum drops to zero, and the EGR valve closes, so at least when maximum power is called for, there is no EGR circulation.

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12.15 @ 110.52 1.68 60'
413" small-block, Vortec heads, TH400, 4:10's

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Dan77
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posted November 15, 2003 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
You really know your stuff dirt! Thanks for the correction, Dan

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Dan77
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posted November 15, 2003 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
Does anyone know if the orange metallic color was available on all camaro's , or just the Z28? Dan

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Dan77
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posted November 15, 2003 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
I need some help finding a part for my 77 Z28. I need an original or reproduction air breather intake hose. This hose ( about 3 inches ID and maybe 3 or 4 foot long ) carries fresh air from above the radiator, to the entrance of the air breather. Does anyone have one they would like to sell , or know where I can get one. Thanks Dan

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rich m
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posted November 15, 2003 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
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Originally posted by Dan77:
Does anyone know if the orange metallic color was available on all camaro's , or just the Z28? Dan


Everything I have ever seen on the Z28 colors shows that each of the seven colors available on the 1977 Z28 were available on any regular Camaro, but not all regular Camaro colors were available on the Z28, just those seven (because the color matched stripe kits didn't go with every color)

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Major Dad
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posted November 18, 2003 01:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Major Dad's Homepage!   View Major Dad's car!
Still haven't finished up my 72, but I just bought a 77 Z28 this past weekend. I've had my eye on it for a while. It's been sitting on blocks for 17 years (covered w/ a tarp). The owner blew the engine back in 86 and it's been sitting in her back yard ever since. It's a numbers matching car w/ 91K miles on it and very little rust. I'll post some pics of it soon.

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Major Dad
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posted November 19, 2003 08:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Major Dad's Homepage!   View Major Dad's car!
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Originally posted by Dan77:
Major Dad, Tell us more about your 77. What color , trans, etc. What made you decide to get a 77? Dan

Dan, the color of the 77 is Silver (paint code 13). It's an automatic car w/ 91K miles. I've been keeping my eye on this car for over 2 years and for $800, I couldn't pass it up. As you can see, it will need a lot of work, but the car hasn't been butchered up at all - it's all there. I have the original wheels in my garage now. The lady that I bought the car from had them in her garage for the past 17 years, so they are in fine shape.

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shane_6872/lst?.dir=/77+Z28&.view=t

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Major Dad
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posted November 20, 2003 02:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Major Dad's Homepage!   View Major Dad's car!
Does anyone know how many silver 77 Z28s were produced? It may have been covered already, but I didn't feel like looking through 300 some odd posts.

BTW, the build date for this car is 02C (3rd week of February). Has anyone seen one built before this? Just curious.

[This message has been edited by Major Dad (edited November 20, 2003).]

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Als78z28
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posted November 20, 2003 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Als78z28   Click Here to Email Als78z28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
I don't think they have those specific numbers, but you can look at it like this. Roughly 8% of the Camaros built in 77 were silver. And if you multiply 8% x the total number of Z's, you get 1150, roughly. There were 218,853 Camaros built in 77. There were 27,450 Camaros painted silver in 77. There were 14,349 Z's built in 77. Now, one thing to consider is that there were 14 different colors to choose from in 77, but only 7 to choose from on a Z28. So I'm not sure exactly how to look at it, but there's the info I have.

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rich m
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posted November 20, 2003 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
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Originally posted by Major Dad:
Does anyone know how many silver 77 Z28s were produced? It may have been covered already, but I didn't feel like looking through 300 some odd posts.

BTW, the build date for this car is 02C (3rd week of February). Has anyone seen one built before this? Just curious.

[This message has been edited by Major Dad (edited November 20, 2003).]



I have never seen any data on color production for the '77 Z28, but I have to agree that the 8% rule wouldn't apply here because of the fewer color choices available to Z28 buyers. At best, one could suppose 1/7th of 14,349 for a starting point, but that doesn't factor that some colors were more popular and some less so.

As for the Feb. build code, I can honestly say that I've personally seen (and recorded!) as many 1977 Z28 cowl tags as anyone, and the earliest I ever saw was 02E (5th week of Feb).

Does anyone on this board have any connections with Chevrolet PR or Historical Services so that maybe we could look a bit more into the background of this model, it's developement, background, production info, etc. ?

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Dirt Reynolds
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posted November 20, 2003 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirt Reynolds   Click Here to Email Dirt Reynolds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
My cowl tag is 03E - I assume that to be 5th week of March?

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1977 Z/28 'Silver Bullet'
12.15 @ 110.52 1.68 60'
413" small-block, Vortec heads, TH400, 4:10's
1989 GTA L98
Daily driver

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rich m
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posted November 20, 2003 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
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Originally posted by Dirt Reynolds:
My cowl tag is 03E - I assume that to be 5th week of March?


Yep.

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Dan77
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posted November 21, 2003 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
Does the cowl tag tell what transmission the car has?

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