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rich m
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posted May 02, 2005 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
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Originally posted by Dan77:
Rich M. Have you done anything with the 77 Z28 data that has been sent to you? Please give us an update. Thanks Dan

Dan, I have been trying to set up a spread sheet that will best display the type of data we have compiled on the various cars documented on this thread. There's a lot of data to consider!

Once that is done, it will be easier to analyze differnt items such as production dates, optional equipment, etc.

On a side note, there is a very good chance that I will be getting in touch with one of the key parties involved in the 1977 Z28 project before too long, to see what he can add to the mix!

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Dan77
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posted May 03, 2005 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
Great news Rich. Thanks for your response. If you need any help, let me know . Dan

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vs21viking
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posted May 06, 2005 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vs21viking   Click Here to Email vs21viking     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
I don't have a web site and my computer has been down with a virus for the last several days. Had to reformat. I'll e-mail pics to get them on. Just a question: Everything I've checked on this car indicates it's a Z but I always like second opinions to avoid clones. I've looked online at the VIN and Trim Tag data but couldn't figure it all out.
VIN is 1Q87L 7L593086. Trim Tag reads: ST 77 1FQ87 L 198559 BDY
TR 19R A51W19LW19U PNT.
If anybody can verify my research it would be appreciated. Motor number matched as far as I could tell.

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Dan77
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posted May 06, 2005 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
Viking, I have looked up all your trim tag info. Your car was built in California. you have left out the last line and the most important part of the tag for Z28 identification. Look on the last line to the bottom right of the trim tag. There is a 6 digit number. This is the plant batch code. Now look directly to the left of this batch code and you will see one of the following:
8,S,Z,"",or it will be blank. (THIS INFOR IS FOR CAMAROS BUILT IN California ONLY !) 8=Z28,S=Type LT, Z or "" or blank=Rally Sport. Get back with us and let us know what it says. Dan

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vs21viking
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posted May 06, 2005 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vs21viking   Click Here to Email vs21viking     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Dan, sorry about that. Getting old, blind and senile. Looks like it is:
03E B * * 293485.
The B could be an 8, hard to tell.

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vs21viking
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posted May 06, 2005 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vs21viking   Click Here to Email vs21viking     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Just found a crack in the block at the starter bolt. Machine shop suggest a technique called metel spray. I've seen them welded and filed but they say the metal spray is better. Maybe should have put a crate motor in it but want to keep it original.

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vs21viking
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posted May 06, 2005 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vs21viking   Click Here to Email vs21viking     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Forgot to mention it in my last post but I am being advised to replace the domed pistons with flat tops and a new style gasket.

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Dan77
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posted May 06, 2005 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
Viking, if this last line of the trim tag is in the correct order , this is what it means. The 03E means built in the 5th week of march, the B means black steering column and dash, ** means no power windows , and if there is a blank before the 293485, then it is a sport coupe. Here is a link you can go to see it for yourself.http://www.chevy-camaro.com/chevy-camaro-trim-tag-decode-1977.asp

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vs21viking
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posted May 06, 2005 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vs21viking   Click Here to Email vs21viking     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Yeah it looks like a blank for sport coupe. I've never studied the model but I thought all of the models had 305's except the Z28 which had the 350. The VIN decodes as a 350 and the engine decodes as a 350. Is it possible to have a Z28 without the trim tag 8? All of this help is greatly appreciated.
Edited this in. Just curious if any Z's were built that early in the year?

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77CamaroSC
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posted May 06, 2005 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 77CamaroSC   Click Here to Email 77CamaroSC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      View 77CamaroSC's car!
wow, thread has been goin for what two years now?


anyways. the 77 Camaros could have a 350 with the base model too. Mine came with the 160HP 350 LM-1 with the high alt. emissions package.

its a base model sport coupe.

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vs21viking
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posted May 06, 2005 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vs21viking   Click Here to Email vs21viking     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
I guess I should have checked a lot of this sooner but clues were there. The steering wheel is the wrong one but it has the correct spoiler and wheels??? Someone went to a lot of trouble to clone a 77 if it is a clone. I had a new 77 Sport Coupe with a 305 and knew that car pretty well. As I said this one has just about everything to indicate a Z like the air cleaner etc. and it sure looked original but I guess anything is possible. I don't think I would go to the trouble of cloning a 2nd gen though.

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rich m
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posted May 06, 2005 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Build sheet, build sheet, build sheet...... it's the first (and best!) way to document an authentic '77 Z28.

The car is 28 years old, and who knows what has been done to it, but sometimes you get lucky and find one. Look first under the bottom of the lower back seat cushion, or front seat cushions, look behind the door panels, or on top of the gas tank.

There is no way to document one through the VIN other than to rule a car out that didn't come with the LM1 350.

Go back through the earlier parts of this thread, and you'll see different other ways to document the car.

Good luck.

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rich m
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posted May 06, 2005 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
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Originally posted by vs21viking:

8=Z28,S=Type LT, Z or "" or blank=Rally Sport.

[B]Yeah it looks like a blank for sport coupe. I've never studied the model but I thought all of the models had 305's except the Z28 which had the 350. The VIN decodes as a 350 and the engine decodes as a 350. Is it possible to have a Z28 without the trim tag 8?


First of all, the same LM1 350 4 bbl. that came in the Z28 was an option on any Camaro that year

Second, this talk of an 8 or an S or whatever, is news to me. Some Z's had a "Z28" on the bottom line of the trim tag, some didn't.

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Just curious if any Z's were built that early in the year?

The earliest '77 Z28's were built the first week of Feb 1977 and show 02A on the trim tage.

Hope this helps.

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rich m
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posted May 07, 2005 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
I have begun a long overdue process of getting the rest of my Z28 collection and notes organized. The motivation for it comes in preparation for a possible talk with one of the leading figures involved in the rebirth of the Z28 in 1977, and comes at a time when I am totally overwhelmed with work and a major project at home moving several rooms around in preparation for my daughter coming to stay with us in Newport for the summer after her first year at UVM.

I have gotten a file set up properly in the 'puter in which to begin organizing all this Z28 stuff I have amassed over 28 years, including the e-mails and data I have received from many of you over the past almost two years now (wow, has this been going for that long now?!!!).

My first undertaking is to actually scan and save every page from every article about the '77 Z in all the old magazines that featured this car.... only about a hundred pages! Then I want to scan and save all the original factory literature I have (much of which has already been done and seen earlier in this thread).

I appreciate the few who have been with this thread since it's start, and especially those who have kept it going for the past year. Dan, you probably more than anyone.

I'll keep you all posted, and thanks for your help and your interest.

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Dan77
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posted May 07, 2005 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
Rich , you make a good point about some Z cars that are not identified on the trim tag. It is good to see you posting again. Dan

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