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sharon77
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posted February 25, 2004 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharon77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
I tried to get a title search for my car, but my state only goes back to mid 80's. A Q about the 4 speed trani. Mine has a very short throw between gears...ie. 2 to 4 is just a roll of the wrist. Were they all like that?

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rich m
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posted February 26, 2004 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Hope you all enjoy this:

and this:

The first image is the cover of a very rare and not well known 8 page brochure from Chevrolet in 1977, entitled "The Sportiest Chevy's". The second is the inside page about the new 1977 Z28 from that brochure. Enjoy!

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rich m
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posted February 26, 2004 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
By the way, I heard back today from Richard Benyo, who wrote a review of the '77 Z for Super Stock magazine, based on his experience at the Daytona "Press Party" intro that year. He's offered his help with info, as has Judy Stropus, ex Chevy PR rep, who has offered much Chevy material that she has collected over the years. I'll keep all informed. Thanks guys!

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william
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posted February 26, 2004 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for william   Click Here to Email william     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      View william's car!
Considering 77 Z-28's, i was glad chevy brought them back, they should have never dropped them in the first place.
However, i feel chevy could have done a much better job in the appearance dept. than just a decal package.
Granted 78 and 79 wasn't much better, fake scoop and such.
The TA had fresh air hoods from the start, and after the scoop was closed off it didn't take much effort to make it functional again in later TA's.
The Z-28 hoods from 80-81 should have been made available to the Z much sooner.

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It's all just a case of mind over matter, I don't mind cause nothing else matters.

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JJFarmer
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posted February 27, 2004 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JJFarmer   Click Here to Email JJFarmer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      View JJFarmer's car!
I believe that if the Z28 package had not been brought back in 1977, the Camaro would have been discontinued long ago. The big hair or the mulet would not have looked the same in the 80's in a regular Camaro, you had to have the Z28. (LOL)

To bad that GM didn't hire any creative minds for a 5th generation body change.

You have to admit that Ford was smarter with the Mustang change. Now they are to issue a Boss package. It may be a long run for the Mustang.
JJ

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Dan77
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posted February 27, 2004 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
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Originally posted by COPO:
Can someone tell me if the 77 Z28 came with an AIR pump for a Canadian Car? How about a US car?

My Canadian car did not come with a smog pump, and my friends California car did not have one either. Hope this helps Dan


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Dan77
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posted February 27, 2004 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
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Originally posted by rich m:
I don't believe so. U.S reg's pretty much set the standard for what the manufacturers did, and in 1977 there still wasn't all the crap in there that we have today. Mostly it was an EGR valve and a catalytic converter. A.I.R. injection ( a.k.a. "smog pump") was pretty much an '80s thing

Dan, as for your question, the Registry is down the road a bit, as the article needs to come first (if it hopefully does come to fruition). If a registry is to happen though, it would be nice to set it up BEFORE any article would appear, so that it could be listed in the article for maximum promotion. As for the article, the first step is to do research, and before doing that, sources need to be identified, located, and contacted. I'm doing that right now, and it's taking some time. When I finally do identify, locate, and contact someone who may have important background on this story, I have to wait to hear back from them, and that is taking some time. It IS happening, though!


Thanks for update Rich. I am not trying to rush you or anything I just, wanted to know if it will happen. I have loved these cars since they were new and the registry and magazine article would be sweet after all these years of being alone on my love affair with the 77Z Thanks again to everyone who has contributed to this wealth of knowledge. Dan

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COPO
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posted February 27, 2004 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for COPO   Click Here to Email COPO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit COPO's Homepage!   View COPO's car!
Did all Cnadian and US cars all have the Cat Converter?

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Mark
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Home Page on 1970 Z28
http://members.rogers.com/mlvd/

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Jeff77Z28
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posted February 27, 2004 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff77Z28   Click Here to Email Jeff77Z28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
As far as CATS and AIRS and other emission items...Once Catalytic convertors were invented and implemented they have been here to stay. They are the single biggest bang for the buck. They started off very expensive (platinum pellets) and have gotten cheaper, but are still relatively expensive but very very effective. The AIR system is nowhere as effective and only used to further clean up emissions. AIR comes and goes, so does EGR. Some engine designs don't respond well to EGR and are considered "EGR intollerant" meaning that it doesn't help. CATs came in 1975 and have never left since. They've only gotten better. Without getting into engineering stuff this is the facts.

Jeff

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Dirt Reynolds
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posted February 27, 2004 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirt Reynolds   Click Here to Email Dirt Reynolds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
The purpose of the AIR pump is to heat the cat up as quickly as possible at cold start, and for certain driving situations, like low -RPM creeping along in a traffic jam, etc. It is very effective at keeping the cat good and hot, which reduces emmitants.

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1977 Z/28 'Silver Bullet'
12.15 @ 110.52 1.68 60' @ 3850#
413" small-block, Vortec heads, TH400, 4:10's
1989 GTA L98
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rich m
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posted February 28, 2004 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Not to stray too far off topic (lest this get sent to a different section of the board), I've read extensively on the subject of "clean emissions", and the simple fact is that cats, EGR's, and smog pumps are all a simple band-aid. There used to be a guy who wrote extensively on the technical end of this for a magazine, and he conclusively proved time after time that there are better and cheaper ways to get cars to pollute less, more effectively. I probably still have many of those articles, but they would be off topic and long winded anyway. Now, back to the subject of '77 Z28's.....

Dan, the registry will definitely happen down the road, we've come too far now not to. And we all know too well how it feels to think you are the lone enthusiast out there. You're alone no more, my friend!

Memo to all: I've been having trouble uploading more photo's and documents onto cardomain.com . My file may be too full, and maybe that takes too much time on my girlfriend's dial-up and I end up getting "logged out" of the session now before the image is stored. So, bear with me. Dirt, I've got some neat stuff for you silver car owners still to come, soon as I get it uploaded!

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Dirt Reynolds
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posted February 28, 2004 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirt Reynolds   Click Here to Email Dirt Reynolds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Sounds good, Rich. I know you mentioned you had some good stuff for us silver Z guys, can't wait to see it!

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1977 Z/28 'Silver Bullet'
12.15 @ 110.52 1.68 60' @ 3850#
413" small-block, Vortec heads, TH400, 4:10's
1989 GTA L98
Daily driver

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rich m
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posted February 28, 2004 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Pssssstt ......

Is Eric looking???

(whisper; don't look now Dirt, but you got post number evensay undredhay .... keep it quiet and "under the radar)

Lol....

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rich m
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posted February 29, 2004 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Shawn (Slug)

Just a second before I head out the door:

Please e-mail me today with:

Your VIN

Your cowl tag info (as it reads on the tag)
Do you have the build sheet (maybe underneath one of the lower back seat cushions)?

Does your car have:chrome bumers?chrome trim around the headlight buckets or around the taillights? chrome window trim?brushed aluminum taillight panel?

Does your car have front AND rear sway bars? What diameter? The original steering wheel? (if yes, does it have "Z28" in the center?

I have NEVER actually seen ANY Camaro with a collumn shift, let alone a Z28!

Talk to you later (I'm laaaaaaaate!!!!!)

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rich m
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posted March 01, 2004 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
OK, it's late but I have a little time to address something for a fellow poster (anyone who refers to me as a '77 Z28 "Guru" is OK in my book!!!LOL).

77SLUG (Shawn) is wondering whether his car is an authentic '77 Z28 or not.

Shawn's Mom bought the car two years old in Ontario, and it's been in the family since. The car is a bit long in the tooth, and has been "modified" for a little "street action" (sway bars gone). It has 14" wheels with a 406 motor, new tranny, and a 4.88 rear (are you kidding me, a 4.88???). It has chrome bumpers, chrome taillight trim, no stripes or decals. The interior was gutted upon said "modifying", so no build sheet is in hand right now. Most unusual of all, it apparently has a factory shifter on the steering collumn!!!

Shawn says the cowl tag does say Z28 on it, but is unable to verify that right now. It sounds like the car has an original equipment steering wheel that does have the Z28 logo on it, as well.

OK Shawn; since your Mom bought the car just 2 years old, and at a Chevy dealership, it's not likely to have been altered by the dealership or before they got it, as they wouldn't have taken it in trade that way. So, the way she bought it is most likely the way it was built.

Questions: Did the car EVER have the stripes or decals on it for a Z28? Are the 14" wheels factory or aftermarket mags? Did it always have chrome bumpers and chrome tailight trim? The emblem on the header panel,are the colors red, white and blue?

Let's talk about the facts for a second. All Z28's were supposed to have body colored bumpers, not chrome. They were supposed to have color keyed stripes and ID logos, and the header emblem was the same colors (regular Camaro's had the R,W, & B emblem, but a Z28 could have had that changed over the years by damage replacement). They were supposed to have blacked out taillight trim, and body colored 5 spoke steel 15" sport rims. They did NOT have a collumn shift available (I don't think ANY '77 Camaro did!!!).

Also, do you remember what type of exhaust the car had back then when she bought it (granted, you were just a kid!). The Z28 had the split exhaust behind the converter.

One thing I can say by your VIN; the car is at least a 350-4Bbl 1977 car built in Norwood OH, which was known to stamp "Z28" on the cowl tags, so it's imperative that you double check that tag, especially since the build sheet is missing.

If the car was bought 2 years old at a Chevy dealership, with chrome bumpers and a collumn shift, my inclination is to say it's NOT a factory Z28. But your car MAY be an exception, who knows?

Most importantly, if the car was originally sold new in Canada, then Chevrolet of Canada can run your VIN and provide you with a build sheet reprint and other original paperwork, if I remember some of the posts here correctly. If any of you folks can point Shawn in the right direction, it would be a big help for all of us.

Hope this helps a bit, Shawn, keep us posted! Good luck.

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