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rich m
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posted February 20, 2004 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
This is the page that that link brings you to, for 1977 Z28's:

Automotive Recalls and Technical Service Bulletins for 1977 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 V8-350 VIN L 4-bbl.
Provided by ALLDATA

Bulletins for 1977 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 V8-350 VIN L 4-bbl;

Service Bulletins:
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title

79I27 OCT 79 Engine - Adjustment for High Altitude Operation


T36 FEB 78 HEI System - Description and Diagnosis Chart

Anyone who works in a garage that is equipped with an Alldata computer system can look those TSB's up, as can anyone who works at a Chevy dealership. I would have to imagine that both of those TSB's are for ANY 350 4Bbl 1977 Camaro, not just the Z28, as they all shared the same LMI 350 motor.

I worked for years as an outside salesman for an aftermarket autoparts distributor, and many of my customers had an Alldata system. Matter of fact, I was in touch with Alldata this week about an opening as a field service rep in the New England market.

Small world!

Oh, COPO, I don't have any plans in the immediate future to get myself a '77 Z28, but it's something I'd like to do in the years ahead. Only I might make it a red one this time, with a correct 1977 L82 (with some "not quite OEM" tweaks in it!)just for the "what if" school of thought!

By the way, anyone who can legitimately document a 1977 Z28 as coming from the factory with an honest to God L82 or L48, will get some kind of bonus from me ..... I have absolutely no idea what that would be, but I would think of something cool to reward that person!!!!

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COPO
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posted February 21, 2004 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for COPO   Click Here to Email COPO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit COPO's Homepage!   View COPO's car!
I dought that a L82 or L48 ever came in one. It wasn't offered, unless someone tried to make a so called COPO with friends at the dealership.

Rich, you interested in buying a yellow Canadian 77 Z28 with paperwork? See starting on pg 2 http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/528630/2

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Mark
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Jeff77Z28
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posted February 23, 2004 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff77Z28   Click Here to Email Jeff77Z28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Recalls and TSB's: Okay here's one for your original 4 speed owners. There was supposedly a recall on the 77 manual trans's because the shifters fell apart. I know an original owner who had it happen and has the replacement shifter. The brochure says that Reverse is relocated to right/down from the left/up position. My car was a pretty much unmolested car with 76K on it when I bought it in 1990. I'm not sure if it is the original shifter or the one replaced in the recall, but the shifter is left/up for reverse. I've never seen a 4 speed any other way on a 77 Z28. Were the early ones replaced and then later cars had the "old style" shifters? ANY INFO? I know the shifter knobs are fairly rare too, and mine matches the left/up scenario....???? Jeff

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COPO
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posted February 23, 2004 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for COPO   Click Here to Email COPO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit COPO's Homepage!   View COPO's car!
Always left and up. Never heard it any other way.

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Dan77
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posted February 23, 2004 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
quote:
Originally posted by Jeff77Z28:
Recalls and TSB's: Okay here's one for your original 4 speed owners. There was supposedly a recall on the 77 manual trans's because the shifters fell apart. I know an original owner who had it happen and has the replacement shifter. The brochure says that Reverse is relocated to right/down from the left/up position. My car was a pretty much unmolested car with 76K on it when I bought it in 1990. I'm not sure if it is the original shifter or the one replaced in the recall, but the shifter is left/up for reverse. I've never seen a 4 speed any other way on a 77 Z28. Were the early ones replaced and then later cars had the "old style" shifters? ANY INFO? I know the shifter knobs are fairly rare too, and mine matches the left/up scenario....???? Jeff


The right and down is a mistake in the literature. All inland shifters with Borg Warner transmissions( 1977-1981 ) were up and left. My 77 is an unmolested 4 speed with up and left for reverse. I also rode in a brand new 77 Z in 1977, and I remember the reverse being left and up , because my friend that was driving it , commented on the unusual reverse pattern.

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Dan77
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posted February 24, 2004 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan77   Click Here to Email Dan77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Dan77's Homepage!   View Dan77's car!
Rich, any updates on 77 registry or magazines doing article on 77 Z

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COPO
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posted February 24, 2004 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for COPO   Click Here to Email COPO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit COPO's Homepage!   View COPO's car!
Can someone tell me if the 77 Z28 came with an AIR pump for a Canadian Car? How about a US car?

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Mark
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rich m
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posted February 25, 2004 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
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Originally posted by COPO:
Can someone tell me if the 77 Z28 came with an AIR pump for a Canadian Car? How about a US car?


I don't believe so. U.S reg's pretty much set the standard for what the manufacturers did, and in 1977 there still wasn't all the crap in there that we have today. Mostly it was an EGR valve and a catalytic converter. A.I.R. injection ( a.k.a. "smog pump") was pretty much an '80s thing

Dan, as for your question, the Registry is down the road a bit, as the article needs to come first (if it hopefully does come to fruition). If a registry is to happen though, it would be nice to set it up BEFORE any article would appear, so that it could be listed in the article for maximum promotion. As for the article, the first step is to do research, and before doing that, sources need to be identified, located, and contacted. I'm doing that right now, and it's taking some time. When I finally do identify, locate, and contact someone who may have important background on this story, I have to wait to hear back from them, and that is taking some time. It IS happening, though!

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COPO
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posted February 25, 2004 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for COPO   Click Here to Email COPO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit COPO's Homepage!   View COPO's car!
Why I ask is that they had them on the Z's in 68 and up. So why drop that later in the years? I have a engine photo of my 77 but with A/C, it's a tight spot and I can't see anything in the pic.

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Mark
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rich m
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posted February 25, 2004 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
COPO, I may stand corrected, I'm not sure. The link below for AutoZone (not that those people have a clue about what they're doing!) shows a listing for an A.I.R. pump check valve, but not for the tube or the pump itself (???). If such a part was on a Camaro (Z28, or a regular Sport Coupe or LT with a 350-4V) maybe it was in California only?

http://www1.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker/?UseCase= C001&UserAction=answerRequiredQuestion&Parameters=%7C%7ELEFT+HAND+SIDE+% 28SITTING+INSIDE+VEHICLE%29&PageSync=6


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COPO
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posted February 25, 2004 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for COPO   Click Here to Email COPO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit COPO's Homepage!   View COPO's car!
Rich, yup I found out that it was LM1 Cal cars only.

BTW
I went to the Dept of Transport and for $20.00 got the used car package for my 1977 Z28 with all the owners and city.
The car had 8 owners plus myself.
1. me
2. GM Dealership - registered 77/11/24
3. a guy - registered 77/12/08
4. a guy - registered 78/07/06
5. GM Dealership - registered 79/06/07
6. Mercury Dealership for Leasing - registered 79/06/13
7. Some Company # LTD - registered 79/06/19
8. a guy - registered 79/06/25
9. a guy - registered 82/09/17

Can't find the guy on 411 unless he's gong by his middle initial and I found the closest was in AB Canada. I spoke to a lady and she didn't know, so I said I'd call back. Don't even know if it's the guy.
So if I was to take a wild guess since it's last registered date was 1982, I'd say it's in the bone yard unless this current guy is the guy and he's had it since 1982.


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Mark
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rich m
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posted February 25, 2004 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
If the car was "junked" back in 1982 (either it got too beat up to fix in just 5 years, or it got "totalled"?) wouldn't there have to be some record of disposing of the title back then somewhere? A salvage title or something? Maybe a "boneyard" owner or employee could answer that for us?

The odds of it being with the same owner these past 23 years are just as good as it getting junked after being just 5 years old, I'd say. Still, you'd think that lady would know if someone in that house had owned the car for all those years, wouldn't you? God luck.

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posted February 25, 2004 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matching#s   Click Here to Email matching#s     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
I got the 666 my friend. Just had to jump in there. I've never seen a post go so long before. I was thinking that someone could print this up and make a book! Awesome info and conversation my friends. Have a good one!

Bob

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rich m
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posted February 25, 2004 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Bob, you evil one!!! Jumping in just to get post # 666!!!! Well, I can't let it stay at that number now, can I? Thanks for the compliments, on behalf of all of us on this thread!

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rich m
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posted February 25, 2004 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich m   Click Here to Email rich m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Don't know how many of you have seen this, but since this is a '77 Z28 thread, I thought you'd all get a kick out of this one:


http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Show/4396/dupuy77.html

If anyone knows of Pierre H. Dupuy, let him know he's in this thread now!

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