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rich m Veteran Member |
Wow!!!! I came home from work tonight, and there's five new posts on this thread! Now it's not lingering down near the bottom of the topics list anymore! Thanks everyone! Let's see ..... Sharon, nice to hear from you again! With a cowl tag code of 02A, knowing that '77 Z28 production began on Feb. 1st (1st week of Feb!), there is no doubt that your car was among one of the very first to roll of the production line! If there were 14,000 plus produced from Feb 1st to the first week of August, that would be about 26 weeks of production, which figures roughly to be about 550 cars per week betwen the two plants. I believe the figures I saw recently showed that Van Nuys outproduced Norwood about 2 to 1, so that would mean roughly 180 of those 550 were made in Norwood the first week. How's that sound, Sharon? COPO, did you mean that everyone is getting tired of this subject? I need to keep perspective on that a little, I suppose. By the way, thanks for mentioning about your friend in GM Vintage. Do you think he might have access to some of the stuff we're hoping to research for the article? Send me an e-mail please, if you would. Thanks. By the way folks, I think the photo COPO posted may have been from a really nice article on the '77 Z in Hot Rod magazine. Am I right? Major Dad; Shane, thanks for the e-mail! Dan77; The Registry is simmering in my head right now, I'm trying to organize my search for background info on the article first, both from within and from outside Chevrolet. I will need to contact some other Registries as well to find out how they are set up (both structurally and legally), how they are organized, and what their purpose (or "function") is. That's down the road a little bit, but I am gathering information from all of you to make it easier for when the time does come. Thanks all, for the interest and co-operation! I mentioned earlier that one of our group had some success with Chevrolet in obtaining a copy of his window sticker. Seems some of these cars are available. We don't want to overwhelm the source at Chevrolet, so if anyone is interested in this, please e-mail me at rmcdermott1@surfbest.net, and if it's okay with Nick, I'll pass on the info privately. Those who have viewed this thread without contributing, please let me know who you are if you e-mail me. Thanks. This is primarily for mid-production cars or later, it appears (sorry, Sharon!) Time for bed, but tomorrow I'll post some info on this LT interior/Sport Coupe interior subject. Goodnight all! |
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rich m Veteran Member |
COPO, have you considered running a carfax report on your VIN? If the car is still registered somewhere, carfax has access to most state's records now, and it might turn something up. Costs about 25 bucks, I think. Good Luck! |
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COPO Veteran Member |
Rich, that pic was from Hot Rod, so your correct. I meant tired of waiting for new posts. Since I'm in Canada I can go to the Dept of Transport and pay about $20 and get all the owners of a VIN. Also I'll ask my buddy in GM Vintage to dig up all info he has on the '77 Z28. I'll keep you informed. ------------------ |
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rich m Veteran Member |
COPO, thanks for clearing that up for me, and thanks for offering to check with your friend. The "behind the scenes" stuff is what we're really looking for most, notes, design sketches, all the neat background stuff, but whatever he can dig up would be great. Maybe he has some connections or sources within Chevrolet (U.S.) as well? Okay, to help clarify the Z28/Type LT interior questions, I will post a couple of things here now. For starters, I said before that there were actually four different interiors available for the 1977 Camaro; a standard vinyl and an optional cloth for the base Sport Coupe Model, and a different standard vinyl and optional cloth for the Type LT. The document below is an "in-house" price schedule from Chevrolet corporate to all dealers: Here, under the heading "Interior Trim", you will see the line: "V**2 Vinyl Bucket Seats",and right below that you will see the line: "P**2 Knit or J**2 Sport Cloth Bucket Seats". To the best of my knowledge, V**2 is the vinyl interior that came as standard equipment in every Camaro base Sport Coupe model. The P**2 and J**2, well they have me a bit confused. One of them (I don't know which) should be the optional cloth interior for the base Sport Coupe. What the other code would be is beyond me! Here is a color photo of the base Camaro vinyl interior, taken right out of the Camaro brochure; This next page is a black & white (sorry, that's the way Chevy did it!) insert from the 3 ring "Dealer Book", and also shows the standard vinyl Sport Coupe interior (in the lower right hand corner): I do not see a single image of the optional cloth Sport Coupe interior in any of the dealer or factory literature I have, neithr the dealer "brochure or the 3 ring "Dealer Book". Nothing. Now, skip down 5 more lines on that first image, and you will see the line: "X**2 Custom Vinyl Bucket". This is the vinyl interior that came standard on the Type LT, and is the top photo in the black & white picture above. On the next line of that first page, you will see the line: "E**2 Custom Cloth Bucket". This is the optional cloth interior for the Type LT, which is in the lower left corner of the black & white photo, and is shown in color on this photo below: As you can see, the Type LT vinyl and cloth interiors look very much alike, and look nothing like the base Sport Coupe interiors. I have read that the Type LT interior IS in fact available on a base Sport Coupe that is equipped with the Z28 option, and this is a black & white (sorry again!) mid-year Z28 insert for that 3 ring "Dealer Book" that backs that up (see the very last line on the right side, under the heading "Trim Features"): Now, the really interesting part is this; while it appears that you could in fact order a Type LT interior on a Sport Coupe Z28 (as several of you apparently have!), the unanswered question seems to be were BOTH Type LT interiors available on the Sport Coupe Z28 (ie; the base Type LT vinyl AND the optional Type LT cloth), or was it just the Type LT optional cloth interior .... ??? Haven't seen that one answered anywhere in the factory literature that I have! Having now seen these photo's, does anyone have a Z28 with the Type LT vinyl seats??? |
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COPO Veteran Member |
Here's the colour grill emblem you get when you have a silver Z28 with black interior. I scanned in my spare I bought new in '77. Other ad I found ------------------ [This message has been edited by COPO (edited February 20, 2004).] |
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rich m Veteran Member |
Al, thanks for the info on the interiors. I used to have a '78 brochure, probably still do somewhere but it's not with my '77 stuff. Love to get a copy e-mailed to me. Thanks. By the way, could you still get the LT interior in a Z28 for 1978 I wonder? Mark, that's the infamous ad for the '77 Z! It's the ad that stopped me dead in my tracks when I first saw it in the Army Times (I still have that very ad!), and made me immediately cancel the order for my Pontiac Can Am, without even reading or knowing a single thing more about the car!!! As far as the emblem (and the stripes!) go, they weren't just color keyed to the exterior color, but the interior color as well. If a white car had a black interior, it got one set of stripes/emblems; if a white car had a white (or buckskin) interior, it got a different colored set. Never have seen a silver '77 Z with any other color interior but black though! Hey, anyone care to see a photo of the protoype 1977 Z28???? |
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rich m Veteran Member |
OK, as promised! Photo's of the prototype 1977 Z28!!! It took me a while to scan and upload the pics to cardomain.com, sorry for the delay, but it's well worth it! Start with this one, from an issue of Road Test magazine (that's the writer posing on the nose) Great looking car, isn't it??? Notice right up fron the chrome bumpers (with optional bumper guards!), and chrome lower rocker spear! Also has chrome window trim! Take a closer look, you'll see the Type LT badging on the rear roof pillar. The tires are the production "Steel Gards" though! If you look real close, you'll see that the center caps don't have the "Z28" ID in them, they have a plain "bowtie" logo. The Z28 name appears NOWHERE on this car (has the regular "Camaro" name on the front fender!) This car was painted chocolate brown, by the way, and was a 4 speed if I remember correctly. Here's a rear view of that same car from that same issue: Note the Type LT brushed aluminum tail light panel! Last photo appeared in Car Craft magazine a bit later, as photographed at a drag strip test session: Hope you all enjoy!!! I'll check back later tonight, I have to head out for a while! |
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Major Dad unregistered |
Rich, I'd be very interested in the window sticker for my 77 Z, if it can be had. I sent you my cowl tag info. Let me know if you need the VIN too. Shane |
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COPO Veteran Member |
Rich, here is what I found out from my friend in the Vintage Group at GM. Nothing in the 1977 brochure on Z/28. In the ordering guide Z/28 is not available on Type LT, only on standard camaro coupe.Chevrolet tech specs do not mention Z/28 as they are published early in the model year. None of the data books show any 77 Z/28 data or pictures. But later found: NUMBER IMPORTED FOR SALE IN
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nwz28 Veteran Member |
Copo, There was a mid-year reprint of the '77 Camaro brochure which has a brief description and photo of the Z-28. So there are 2 different '77 Camaro brochures. Also there were inserts, like Rich M mentioned that were sent out to add to the dealer books mid-year. Major Dad, GM cannot provide original window stickers, but can provide copies of SOME of the original factory to dealer invoices for '77 Chevrolets. I am one of the lucky ones who was able to obtain a copy of the invoice. My car has a late build date and someone with an early build date wasn't able to get one, A very nice piece of documentation to have! Just contact GM Media Archives at 1-800-851-8984. Good Luck! Also, you may want to check out the photos at GMphotostore.com. -Nick |
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rich m Veteran Member |
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You are assigned an ID, and a password, to reach your "space". If you can't remember what yours is, I think you can ask them to e-mail it back to the e-mail adress you registered with them. It's really pretty useful, for what I need it for. And free is great, too! Good luck. |
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rich m Veteran Member |
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This is the very same photo that appeared in the infamous full page Z28 ad. As for the two different versions of the Camaro brochure that year (1977), here is a photo of both rear covers overlaying each other. Check out the dates at the bottom: I'm going to try and upload the text of that story involving the prototype Z now, and see if I can get it in. |
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COPO Veteran Member |
Rich, here is my site I created on cardomain.com http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/528630 test [This message has been edited by COPO (edited February 20, 2004).] |
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rich m Veteran Member |
It took a while, but I finally got the article uploaded to cardomain.com forall of you to read. This is the one about the prototype '77 Z28. But before I post that, how about one last peek at a '77 IROC Camaro with Z28 markings ... this is a color pic of AJ Foyt's car. It must have been taken at the Daytona Speedweeks introduction, because it was the last IROC event that year, taking place that same day as the Z28 "Press Party", and was the only time I've heard the IROC cars being around production '77 Z's, as they were that day. and now for that article I mentioned:
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COPO Veteran Member |
How accurate is this for the 77 Z28 http://www.alldata.com/TSB/yr.html [This message has been edited by COPO (edited February 20, 2004).] |
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