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Originally posted by hotrodman76:
YES THE LT PACKAGES WERE ALSO Z28 OPTIONS

HOTRODMAN 76 LT

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Well, yes, and no, Hotrodman ...... see, the LT was a seperate model, seperate that is from the base Sport Coupe. That means that your Camaro could be either an LT or a Sport Coupe, but not both. You couldn't order a Sport Coupe with an LT package.

And the Z28 was actually an option, not a seperate model unto itself, so you could have a Sport Coupe with the Z28 option. However, even though the LT was a seperate model and the Z28 was an option, you apparently couldn't order the Z28 option on an LT model. There may be an exception to this rule (with cars, there always seems to be!), but one would say that you couldn't have an LT Camaro with the Z28 option, just the Sport Coupe with the Z28 option.

Now, this either clears everything up for you, or confuses the hell out of you, LOL. Hope I didn't make it the latter.

Now, to answer Sharon's question, the answer is also "yes, and no" !!! See, the base Sport Coupe had either the "base" vinyl interior, or an optional cloth interior, neither of which looked like the LT interiors, which were also a "base" vinyl and an optional cloth, though both of those (while looking similar to each other) were different than their Sport Coupe versions. Everybody with me so far? And you normally could not get either of the LT interiors on your Sport Coupe, you had to order an LT Camaro to get them.

However, as I said above, there are always exceptions in the wonderful world of car building. And in the case of the 1977 Z28, the exception is this: Chevrolet made an exception to the above rule with the Z28 in that you COULD order the LT interior, in either vinyl or cloth I believe, for a Sport Coupe, IF (and ONLY if!) the Sport Coupe were ordered with the Z28 option.

If I didn't lose you by now, God bless you! I tried to explain this as best as I could, but it gets a bit confusing at times.

I'm still in the process of trying to download pages from the Chevrolet Dealer Book here, so please be patient and this will all become "officially explained and documented" later.

Hope you all enjoy this! Thanks for the exchanges!

HOTRODMAN76LT

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Originally posted by hotrodman76:
FOR THOSE THAT ARE CORNFUSED {CHEVROLET DID MANY THINGS AT THE BEGING AND END OF MODEL YEARS AS } FOR INSTANCE MY 76 LT WITH FACTORY RS STRIPES IS DEF AN LT VIN-1S87L6N18359, BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE YES NO SUBJECT LT OR COUPE TRIM ALSO JUST SOLD 77Z CLONE IN AUG NEW OWNER SWEARS IS BUT TRIM TAG O3/77 WHICH WAS BEFORE RELEASE

HOTRODMAN76LT

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Okay, I have to shed what info I can on this as well, hotrodman. Over the years, I collected cowl tag/VIN info on about 3 dozen 1977 Z28's (okay, I've needed to get a life for a long time! But I've had it bad for these cars since they were first introduced!).

The cars were actually announced in Mid-Feb. 1977 at a press intro during Dayatona Speedweeks, and went into production about the same date. I have, in fact, seen legit Z28 build codes as early as 03C, meaning the third week of March. So, that owner COULD (I said C-O-U-L-D) be telling the truth.

As for the interiors not being reproduced, Sharon, it may well be a matter of numbers. First, there weren't many '77 Z28's built (and not a huge number of them left!). Most of the Z28's built went out with the base vinyl interiors, as did most of the Camaro's in general. So reproducing the vinyl base Sport Coupe interior makes more economic sense. Besides, those seat covers appeared in a number of other Chevy/GM vehicles of that time, where as the LT vinyl (and either of the cloth interiors) did not. In auto parts, application gets attention, it's a simple matter of economics.

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Originally posted by sharon77:
Could that LT interior have been ordered as a package on my Z?

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Those type of seats were what I was looking for when I replaced my torn up vinyl ones, and they were N/A everywhere. Plus they had to be black, which is by far the best muscle car interior color. They were not to be found.
I don't think the glove box light thing means squat, every F-body I've owned (6)has had one.

What I really want to know is....about this power trunk release thing that some seem to have...now who knows about this thing???

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Originally posted by kenny77:


What I really want to know is....about this power trunk release thing that some seem to have...now who knows about this thing???

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Kenny, the link below is on a Trans Am web site, and it's called Build Sheet Bingo. The information is great and it pertains to all 2nd Gen F bodies!

http://www.firebirdtransamparts.com/techinfo/bingo/bingo.htm

You will find this paragraph in there about power trunk releases;

A90 TRK REMOTE LD or
A90 PWR DECK LID Typical GM power trunk lid release. It's actuated by a yellow button in the glove box, which connects by a single wire to a solenoid in the trunk. There's a tech article about installing it at thepontiactransampage.com .

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Originally posted by duece-bigalo01:
as for my VIN Number I have absolutely no F in it anywahere. I am looking at my buildsheet and I know its a Z28. As for interior I have the cloth buckets in buckskin color. I have the original 2 piece door panels also with the Z28 buttons on the door panels cause my car is a power window car. My VIN is 1Q87L7L600845. Now on the build sheet I have in block 76 1FQ87. I do have the Z54 option and my car is a california car.built in the van nuys plant on april 15.

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Originally posted by duece-bigalo01:
according to the camaro white book there where 4 different interiors available for the Z28. there was the "standard and optional cloth interiors for Z28 models were the same as the sport coupe, but a cston interior in both vinyl and cloth with type LT seats and other appointments was also available for Z28 models.
now with that being said it sounds like you could actually order a type LT with your Z28 but you would have to order it with several options to finally get it. like the Custom interior with the RPO Z54.
dont know just a thought.

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Duece, duece, duece ..... buddy.

I was saying before, even without seeing the Camaro White Book, just by going through the "Dealer Binder", that there were four different interiors available on the 1977 Camaro.

There was the Sport Coupe vinyl interior, which came standard on the base Sport Coupe. Then there was an optional cloth interior for the Sport Coupe.

Then on the LT model, there was a DIFFERENT vinyl interior, which came standard on the LT, and an optional cloth interior. This optional cloth interior looked very much like the LT vinyl interior, and nothing like the cloth interior that was optional on the Sport Coupe.

And as I said before, the Z28 was an O-P-T-I-O-N, not a separate model. It was an option on the base Sport Coupe model only, and according to the Dealer Binder info that I see, it COULD NOT be ordered on the LT model. As Nick has stated however, and this could be where the confusion kicks in, either of the LT interiors (vinyl or cloth) which were not available on ANY OTHER Sport Coupe, COULD be ordered on a Sport Coupe IF (and ONLY if) that Sport Coupe were ordered with the Z28 option .

As for the VIN/1976 story, the key numbers in the VIN would be L7L or L7N in the middle. That 7 is for the model year 1977. The first L is for the engine (350 4 Bbl) and the other L (or N) is for the assembly plant. The VIN starts 1Q87, and that F (or S in the case of the LT) isn't in there. It IS on the cowl tag, though. But if you look at the post above, and read more carefully, he seems to be saying that in block # 76 of his "build sheet", it says "1FQ87", which is exactly correct on all the build sheets I have seen.

Kenny, thanks a bunch for asking people to post their pics, and for being concerned for my sanity , buddy (LOL). But really, this thread belongs to all of us, and my thanks go out especially to those of you who have posted the most, I really appreciate all of you keeping this alive and helping all of us learn more about these cars.

I'm going to try again tonight to scan pics into a folder so I can transfer them to a site on cardomain.com in order to set them up here. It didn't go very well last night.

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The way to tell is simple; the VIN will tell you what plant the car was built in, by reading 1Q87L7L------. The week the car was built in will be a 3 digit code on the lower left corner of the cowl tag (ie; 05c will be the third week of May), and we'll be looking for a code of 06B, 06C, 06D, 06E, 07A, 07B, etc.