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COPO Veteran Member |
posted December 15, 2003 08:51 AM
     
Dan, your welcome to use any of my pics. We're all hear to help. ------------------
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Dan77 Veteran Member |
posted December 17, 2003 09:56 PM
I thought I would share the photos of a 77 Z28 that my best friend recently bought. We flew out to San Francisco California on Thanksgiving , bought it , and drove it back to Clarksville Indiana. We returned home Sunday afternoon after 2560 miles in 3 days. The picture on the right is in front of the Golden Gate bridge , just before we left to return home. The picture on the left was taken on Route 66 in Arizona. My friends name is Wayne, and he is the proud owner of this white 77 Z28 . What do you guys think of it. This is his first camaro!
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Dan77 Veteran Member |
posted December 17, 2003 09:59 PM
Forgot to mention, to see Waynes 77 Z, click on the camera icon on my profile.
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Dirt Reynolds Veteran Member |
posted December 18, 2003 01:37 AM
Man, that must have been a great road trip, Dan.  What a nice looking car! I like the white colour scheme; it contrasts nicely with the decals and black grill.  So - I'm guessing you had a lot to do with your buddy selecting a 1977 Z/28, eh? ------------------
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COPO Veteran Member |
posted December 19, 2003 02:10 PM
Hey Jeff, My '77 Z engine compartment wasn't as clean as yours when I picked it up when new compared to yours http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/468844 ------------------
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Dan77 Veteran Member |
posted December 19, 2003 07:52 PM
Dirt, Yes I did have something to do with Waynes choice of buying a 77 Z28. I have had my 77 Z28 for 2 years. Wayne has seen the cars progress from when I bought it . He has also been to the Camaro superfest the last 2 years in a row. I have always told Wayne how rare and hard to find; the 77 Z is. I think he was not sure that I knew what I was talking about, or that I was just bragging because I owned one. After attending many local cruises and car shows, Wayne was surprised at the comments that I would receive, like " That is a rare car" or " I havn't seen one of those in 20 years" or "You just don't see 77 Z's anymore". Wayne also noticed the number of 70 -74 Z's and would usually see several at any car show he attended, but no 77's. Outside of the Camaro Superfest, Wayne has never seen another 77 Z. I havn't seen another 77 Z outside of the Camaro Superfest in 15 years myself! I went to Canada to get my 77 and Wayne went to San Francisco to get his. That is a long way from Louisville Kentucky. Wayne started monitoring this website and seen the 77 Z28 post and saw all the comments about the 77. He noticed the comments on this website were the same thing I have been telling him for several years, about the strange lack of 77 Z's around. He was also watching Ebay and Collector car trader. He noticed how many 69's , early 70's and late 70's Z28's were for sale, and maybe one of those would be a 77 Z28, and sometimes none. Then in November a white 77 popped up on Collector car trader. It was in San Francisco. In the photo, the car looked all original, which was a good sign. Wayne called about the car, and asked for details and more photos. The phone conversation revieled the car had original paint and decals, original motor with the original air breather, exhaust manifolds and emission controls still intact. Sounded too good to be true. The owner sent Wayne more detailed photos. The photos verified the the car was virtually all original. The only changes from original were valve covers, shifter, radio, and mufflers. The original shifter was in a box in the trunk. We decided to fly out to San Francisco to possibly buy it , and then drive it 2560 miles back to Louisville Kentucky. The car was pretty much what we thought it would be, but would need some detailing here and there, to be ready to show. we picked it up Thanksgiving day and headed back home. We had 14 fuel stops. At virtually every fuel stop, we would have onlookers come up for a closer look, and examine the car. we were usually questioned about the rarity or year of the car, and the comments were always very positive and enthusiastic. We arrived home 4 days and 2560 miles later! I know that Wayne is planning to attend the Camaro Superfest, in Ann Arbor Michigan. I will have my 77 there also. If you want to see Waynes car, click on my camera icon on my profile. Thanks for the comments from Dirt and Als 78. I would also like the thanks the Administrators of this site! Its great to have a place like this to post comments. Dan
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waynemustang Veteran Member |
posted December 20, 2003 07:41 PM
Well, I can't believe I did it. I really did buy a Camaro. Actually, I'm a musclecar lover, no matter what the make. I went to the Mopar Nats twice, Camaro Superfest twice, I've owned a Buick GN, a BOSS302, and own a Cobra Mustang. What convinced me to get a 77 Z28 over the others was its rarity, unique parts and, well, OK, it's pretty good looking. The aluminum bumpers give it the "older look", color matching bumpers and wheels and "not overdone" decals give it a racy look. As for rarity, the unique parts to the 77 are not reproduced by anyone, therefore limiting restorations and keeping it rare. If you do find a 77 Z, the rare parts are gone, replaced by "racer boy" stuff. I'm thinking of doing a semi-resto job on this car and driving it. The body is a perfect, rust free example but everything else needs restoration. It should be fun and get lots of "high-fives". Wish me luck
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rich m Veteran Member |
posted December 21, 2003 11:27 AM
aaaaahhhhhh ...... to the best of my knowledge, the '77 Z28 doesn't have a fuel door emblem ..... because it DOESN'T HAVE A FUEL DOOR, maybe???????? !!!!!!!!!!!
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COPO Veteran Member |
posted December 21, 2003 12:35 PM
No fuel door on '77's. Here is my '77 Z I ordered new  What do you guys want to know about the 77. Since I ordered one new I may be able to ans some Q? I know it was brought back in 77-1/2 as a handling car only with no balls. The same LM1 engine was the same that was put into every other Chev with the LM1 option. No dress up engine stuff except for the top breather. Pretty sad for the return of the Z, but I still liked it over my '78 and '80 I ordered. ------------------
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F-72 Veteran Member |
posted December 26, 2003 03:29 PM
Hi...great post guys.I own a 72 zed clone but I would gladly swap for a mint 77 zed any day.Ever since I first read the article in HotRod magazine with the white car and all the good parts spread out,I fell in love with this car.I still have that magazine somwhere.It is true that the 77's were to have the urethane nose but the suppliers had trouble with them so they were delayed till the next year.I don't remember where I read that but I did.
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rich m Veteran Member |
posted December 28, 2003 11:15 AM
Just a little update: I recently got hold of info on the GM Media Archives, and will be contacting them shortly to see what -if any- info they may have on the developement of the 1977 Z28 project that lead to it's re-introduction. I'll keep you all informed.
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kenny77 Veteran Member |
posted December 30, 2003 12:04 AM
Look.......the ONLY big re-introduction program GM had was to get the decals on these cars and push them out AS FAST as possible. They were getting orders for new Trans Ams faster than they could build them. I was 17 and had to wait a whole month just for the dealers stock to catch up. All of a sudden Chevys' Rally Sport and weak Type LT sales were falling....THAT was their re-introduction incentive/plan. End of story. So enters the 1977 Z28 >>>>>>>>>Ken
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rich m Veteran Member |
posted December 30, 2003 12:36 AM
No offense Ken, but it wasn't quite as simple as someone at Chevy saying "Let's release a new Z28 next week!". Of course Chevy was seeing the sales success Pontiac was having with the T/A (and this was BEFORE "Smokey and the Bandit"!), but it wasn't just based on currently available Camaro items. The entire suspension was revamped with a specific goal, the exhaust was a new style, it featured a pair of different tranny's, either a BW Super T10 with an 11" clutch or a reworked TH350. Plus there was a new graphics package to be designed. And don't think that an optional engine wasn't considered either. All of these things required lead time or developement time, and no doubt more than a few design choices were proposed and considered. Those are the things I'd love to learn more about. And heaaring more about who made the decision to re-release the Z28 and in what "format", etc. What things were considered that never saw the light of day, all that cool kind of stuff. By the way, I was twenty one back then and remember sales of Rally Sports being pretty damned strong and Chevy selling plenty of new Camaro's as it was already. There were several engineers at Chevrolet who wanted to see this car live again, sales be damned (Jack Turner, Tom Zimmer). The book "Camaro: From Challenger to Champion" is an excellent read on that era. [This message has been edited by rich m (edited December 30, 2003).]
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rich m Veteran Member |
posted December 30, 2003 12:54 AM
By the way, if anyone has seen the first article published in Road Test magazine, or in Car Craft's review of the '77 Z28, you'll see that the "prototype" car for the '77 Z had no stripes or Z28 ID and came with chrome bumpers. The car was brown, by the way. I posted a list of these articles way back on pages 2,3 of this thread. [This message has been edited by rich m (edited December 30, 2003).]
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rkd Member |
posted December 30, 2003 11:09 AM
I have a 77 Z28 350 4 speed. black. Right now it has center line racing wheels and a modified engine in it. I also have the orignal engine and wheels. [This message has been edited by rkd (edited December 30, 2003).]
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