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Bion
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posted February 26, 2001 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bion   Click Here to Email Bion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Bion's Homepage!   View Bion's car!
I've been on this board for quite a while now and I'm disappointed to see what used to be a source of help become an advertising center for people trying to make money off of the members. I've bought a three things from the members on the board and with one exception have felt that I got the part out of comraderie and common interest rather than interest in profit. That's the way it should be. I think parts exchanges, and "for cost" sales are what the swap meet section is for. We're here to help eachother out, not make money off of eachother. The hobby is expensive enough without having to deal with competing ebay bids and all of that nonsense. If you want to make money, that's your choice and I encourage you to do so, but I also think that if you are more intent on making money than helping out the members on this board, then you should be advertising somewhere else. I know that many may be offended by this and it might not make it past the moderator, but I can't sit back and read "great deals-but only if you pay more than the bid I've got on ebay." I appreciate many of the posters with parts for sale and trade. Doug Z28's swap meet posts are great. It is apparent he's not trying to make any money, he just wants to help others out and let them know he's got some spare parts. That's the way it should be. I don't even look at the ebay posts anymore. Not what I'm here for and not what I think this message board is about. Now we're even talking about swap meet "blacklists"!?!

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1971 Z28
Classic Copper w/ black stripes
Matching #s (w/ exception of carb and headers)
M-22
Owned: 69 Z/28

[This message has been edited by Bion (edited 02-26-2001).]

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MikeM79
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posted February 26, 2001 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeM79   Click Here to Email MikeM79     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      View MikeM79's car!
Bion,

I am glad you posted your sentiments. In large measure I share them. The late Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead expressed similar sentiments about music. I am paraphrasing, but basically he said it was a shame that something like music had to be a business. Unfortunately, the same is true about cars, performance stuff, etc.

Concerning the kinds of people that frequent this board..... my view on this topic has evolved from idealistic (gee, we all love 2gens, therefore these must all be "good guys") to realistic (a common interest guarantees nothing about someone who is otherwise a complete stranger). This is not to say that genuine friendships can't develop out of a board like this. To the contrary, there is a better than average shot at it because commonality of interests is found in most good friendships.

Imposing rules, etc. on the swapmeet is a tough one....a slippery slope. My own view is that the Swap Meet should be taken like everything else in life....one must take the good and try to ignore the bad....develop a "Zen like" attitude.


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Bion
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posted February 26, 2001 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bion   Click Here to Email Bion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Bion's Homepage!   View Bion's car!
I agree. I didn't want to leave the impression that the swap meet needs rules or any monitoring. I am against that type of intervention on many levels. I was just disappointed in what I've been seeing and wanted to say something about it. What people do on here is their choice and their business, they have the right to do and say just as much as I have the right not to read it. I think there are some great people on here who truly want to help others and that's why they come here. I also think there are people that come here to make some money. The former is a great benefit and why I first joined the group, the latter is the reason I haven't been around too much lately.

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1971 Z28
Classic Copper w/ black stripes
Matching #s (w/ exception of carb and headers)
M-22
Owned: 69 Z/28

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happyjo
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posted February 26, 2001 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for happyjo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
i agree with bion,the swapmeet is for camaro owners to sell/buy parts for the hobby,NOT for someone to make piles of cash,that is what ebay is for.

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i dont want to spend a fortune on my camaro,do you?

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MikeD
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posted February 26, 2001 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Sorry to see you staying away. I tend to agree with you but I guess I've taken the "Zen" approach and just let some of the BS go on by. My son and I both frequent this place and we've never made any money on it...actually I'm in the hole based on the parts I've bought that haven't worked and the parts we've given away... but I sure can't imagine anyone making a whole lot of money on here. Commercial ventures are still discouraged and I think MadMike has, at times, given some folks a gentle reminder. I really hope you stick around. Oh, and on the Black List topic. It went down in flames. None of us wants to take that approach.

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MikeD
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patgizz
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posted February 26, 2001 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for patgizz   Click Here to Email patgizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit patgizz's Homepage!   View patgizz's car!
so clarify something for me. if i get a killer deal on brand new parts, put them up here at 2x what i paid, and still keep the price(incl shipping no less) less than 2/3 of what they would cost if you went to jeg's, summit, etc..., then am i the bad guy for trying to get a little extra pocket money to pay for school? you get your deal and i get my $ to either pay tuition or play with my car. i see nothing wrong with that.

most of the ebay ads ive seen are of items that were offered on the swap section and never bought - cant say the seller didnt try.

you cant tell people they cant make $ - its here in my opinion as a place to find parts, not as a place to give them away dirt cheap.

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jakeshoe
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posted February 26, 2001 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jakeshoe   Click Here to Email jakeshoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit jakeshoe's Homepage!   
Hello,
I guess I'm guilty of making money. Please don't lynch me! I'm not out to make a killing off the board, I'll practically give some stuff I don't need away. But I'm not going to give stuff away when I can use it to fund the Camaro. I make a little money on some items but am not out to make as much as I could on Ebay. Does MadMike give parts away? No he uses them to fund his projects, he did give away some models though! Thanks MadMike! I think people should expect to pay for what they recieve, nothing's free right? I sell stuff to fund my car. I don't expect to get the most for it here but I'll often put it up for board members before an alternative more profitable method. Is there really anything wrong with that?

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76'maro
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posted February 26, 2001 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 76'maro   Click Here to Email 76'maro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit 76'maro's Homepage!   View 76'maro's car!
Pat and others,

I don't think that making a little pocket change is a problem...most of us would sell something there to fund something else that we need. I think the problem is with those that are making it an obvious commercial venture. So far I have had GREAT dealings with members here, but I have seen some instances where it appears someone is trying to use the board as an on line store...THAT I highly discourage, and I think it is completely against the spirit of this board.

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1968 2 door sport coupe...wife's car!

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patgizz
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posted February 26, 2001 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for patgizz   Click Here to Email patgizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit patgizz's Homepage!   View patgizz's car!
i do give some things away

just nobody tell me they havent walked by a Z in a boneyard w/ some rare option and gone "hey i can make some $ off that" hehehe

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craggar
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posted February 26, 2001 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for craggar   Click Here to Email craggar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit craggar's Homepage!   View craggar's car!
The way I see it you don't have to buy it if you think it's too much.So far I haven't been able to sell anything on here probably the location Can. but I have given a couple things away and both times not even a thank you oh well.

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Tomahawk
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posted February 26, 2001 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tomahawk   Click Here to Email Tomahawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      View Tomahawk's car!
For what it's worth, my opinion is leave the swap meet section for members to go out and and ASK for the parts they need. If another member has it then great, let both agree on a price. The board should not be a place to just post all the junk you have in the garage and see if someone bites. I think the e-bay links should be left out. The section
has been a great source for hard to find parts for me and I appreciate all the help I've recieved during my project.

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Batman
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posted February 27, 2001 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Batman   Click Here to Email Batman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      
Well, I can be described as a profiteer and I've made some money here on the board. Does that make me a bad guy? I hope not. If I'm going through the junkyard and see that ultra-rare option, I'll pull it, knowing I can probably sell it on the board and help fund MY Camaro. Do I try to sell dust collectors? Nope. At the same time, I've thrown away countless parts that someone later posted in a wanted ad. I consider myself fortunate that I live in SoCal and there are plenty of junkyards to be able to get parts. If someone's looking for a part that's no longer available through the dealer (OUCH$!@#$$$$) or the aftermarket, or a local junkyard, then asking for the part on the board is the best way to get that part. If I ask someone to reimburse me for the part and for my time to get it, is that too much to ask? I've made almost 1000 posts, and I've put up about 20 items for sale. I don't think a 50:1 ratio is trying to make money off the other members.

On another topic, if I post something I see on E-Bay, I do it for the benefit of the members of the board. There are some parts that are harder to find than others (disc brake rear ends, for example), and unless you're looking for them, they tend to slip between the cracks. I've yet to put any items up for bid on E-Bay, but I've bought several, so I'm not making any mnoney on items I bring to people's attention.

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1974Z28
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posted February 27, 2001 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1974Z28   Click Here to Email 1974Z28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote      View 1974Z28's car!
I don't have a problem with anyone posting some parts they've picked up along the way and making some extra $ along the way. What does bother me is some one that swoops in and buys up the good deals in the swap meet section NOT to use for their own restoration, but to turn around and sell on E-bay or repost on the swap meet board for a higher price.

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Bion
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posted February 27, 2001 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bion   Click Here to Email Bion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Bion's Homepage!   View Bion's car!
As I stated clearly, I'm not against people making money and I also stated clearly that I encouraged it. My point was that I don't think this is the place to advertise it if your selling it to make a profit. This should be the place people can go to find and get parts at cost or for trade. Never mind, not worth it....I've got better things to worry about. Sorry I even brought it up.

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Eric
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posted February 27, 2001 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eric   Click Here to Email Eric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit Eric's Homepage!   

There is one glaring contradiction here that no one has mentioned:

In respect to people trying to run an amateur business- they are in direct competition with the sites' sponsor and lead-man- Madmike. At times when I think about it, I'm almost surprised Mike ever put the swap-meet section on the board to begin with.

In as far as this goes, if you're trying to do anything other than trade-off parts, eliminate extra stuff in your garage, or maybe sell that occasional, rare part that you know people need/want- I would suggest you're basically using Madmike's resources to compete with him. This is not my idea of an honor-based system.

Again, can rules be established to deal with this, or are we going to have to just try to get along? I think MikeM79 has the best compromise/idea/manner in which to take things in regards to the swap meet section.

However, I don't think it should be forgotten that Madmike runs a business as well and he created this site and hosts the equipment that keeps it going- directly competing with him as an amateur-type business is really not appropriate.

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