The worst school shooting in American history just happened 1/2 hour away from me.

Discussion in 'The BS Topic' started by theflash, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. danbrennan

    danbrennan Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

    Mar 13, 1999
    Brighton, MI
    My wife found this. Maybe we need to figure out why more of these young men aren't being institutionalized.

    In the post-Newtown debate over mental illness, a distraught and exhausted mother has written a chilling article describing life with her troubled son and the health care system's shortage of options. The boy, "Michael," remains undiagnosed, and despite medication he continues to exhibit a hair-trigger temper. His mother says Michael shares characteristics with gunman Adam Lanza and other mass killers, and during his unpredictable episodes he makes frightening and violent threats. The mother's lack of help is typified by her meeting with a social worker who informed her that their best option is to get Michael charged with a crime, because "That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges."
  2. rwild1967

    rwild1967 Veteran Member

    Aug 11, 2009
    Look behind you!
    Thats horrible. They both need help, the son to live a normal life, and the mother to deal with the things she has been through.
  3. Eliminator SS

    Eliminator SS Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

    Nov 14, 2002
    South East, Nebraska
    I think the real problem here, as with all the previous mass killings, is that the medical profession isn't competent with dealing with mental illness. People like the shooters from these incidents should have been institutionalized long before anything happened.
  4. SRADkneedragger

    SRADkneedragger Veteran Member

    Oct 16, 2011
    Odessa Texas
    This is possibly straying a little too far from the original topic but;

    I have long had a theory that although some people have more aggressive personalities, there are those who have never been taught or forced to control their anger. Most likely by a lack of IMMEDIATE UNPLEASANT CONSEQUENCES.
    I think these children start out as individuals who may have a short fuse or an overly aggressive personality type, and when they behave in an inappropriate manner no one places an instant consequence.
    When we were growing up my brother would beg to be grounded not spanked. I said "Spank me and get it over so I can go play".
    You know how it worked out, he got spanked, I got grounded!
    Mom and Dad picked the worst punishment possible according to the kid.
    I think as a result of this growing up I have learned to think THROUGH my actions and consider the ramifications of my behavior. I might beat your a$$ but before I do I'll think about whether I want to go to jail and who will bond me out.
    I believe in many cases we have raised a generation with no consequences and no forethought or cosideration. I'm mad frustrated or upset I'm going to take my anger out on someone, anyone. Also, as much as I hate to say it, I really wonder how much first person shooter games have desensitized our youth to violence?
    I wish I had answers or a little more than scattered ideas

  5. bfmgoalie

    bfmgoalie Veteran Member

    There are so many things which effect today's society for the kids. Movies, games, lack of parental control, and many other issues. I firmly believe rules and regs are (were) in place to help teach the children the difference between right and wrong. Did all adjust accordingly? No. But I have seen those who have.

    I attended a Catholic, private, military, college prep, all boys high school. Ninety percent of the students were well behaved, driven kids. But the 10% were somewhat out of control. On opening day, the principal (A Brother with St. John the Baptist De LaSalle) came right out and told all the freshman not to cross the line or you'll be sorry. He wasn't kidding. The Brothers had the parents permission to beat the crap out of their sons if necessary. And it happened! We had a colonel and 2 sergeants who served 3 tours in 'Nam. You definitely didn't screw with them. Mostly all changed. A little fear, the total understanding why their poor attitude caused problems for them, more of a belonging with the students represented as a family and togetherness. This combined with following American values, religion and respect was successful. Did everyone lead an exemplary life? No. One was arrested a few months ago for killing his girlfriend over some coke.

    Divorce, drugs, loneliness, attitudes directed by friends, TV, movies, games all impact todays kids. Parents seeing their child has problems but not doing anything about it has a huge dividing factor in a child. Our society has changed dramatically and kids are suffering.

    My family? I'm 56. If I crossed the line, Dad beat the shit out of me and I deserved it. I have two daughters, 23 and 22. Very intelligent; but sometimes a little edgy. Have I ever hit them? Nope. Never will. But I made it clear....don't screw with me. I really believe this has guided them into following a righteous path. But I see parents who let their kids get away with everything and the kids are uncontrollable. To me, all the problems start at home and are expanded outside. Parents are first in line.
  6. GoldenOne7710

    GoldenOne7710 Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Athens, GA
    In regards to mental illness....if you know of a person that you feel has a mental disorder and you truly feel like this person is a potential threat to themselves or other people there's 2 options for you.

    #1, it takes 2 citizens to go to a judge and explain your concerns and fill out affidavits of sworn testimonies. The judge can/will issue a 'warrant' for the person to be taken into custody and hauled to an 'institution' where they will be evaluated by a Dr (psychiatrist, etc) and possibly admitted to the institution.

    #2, if the person is presently 'having an episode', you can get the person in front of an on-duty LEO or medical doctor to where they can observe the psychotic episode....the person can then be placed into custody (by the doctor or LEO) and evaluated further for a decision to be made on whether or not they require further treatment/care.

    Once in custody, there's NOTHING they can do until they are granted a clean bill of (mental) health.

    I had to do this TWICE to my own mother....

    The 1st time, nearly all of my family said I was evil and did this out of spite. They cursed me and belittled me every way they could. Then....when my mother was better, they all saw it and praised my actions. Unfortunately, I had to do it all over again a couple of years later. This all began 7 years ago. She lives a 99% 'normal' life now and is able to live on her own.
  7. FlaJunkie

    FlaJunkie Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    Rockledge, Florida
    Can we gang up on Moner?

  8. Aceshigh

    Aceshigh Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    I had a family member committed to a hospital for 72 hours just based on a 911 phone call, and a signed affidavit
    of them being a threat to themselves. It might have been more then a 72 hour hold, but IIRC that was it.

    Police come and escort the person to the Ambulance where they have an on site evaluation
    and then a trip to the ER hospital until they are evaluated by a Dr, then transported to the mental health facility.

    This was just 1 year ago. I've had 3 people I've had to call 911 for depression and suicidal tendencies
    in the past 8 years or so. Another was a female I know that was strung out on drugs, the other was an
    Army SGT with PTSD after his 2nd tour in the sandbox.

    After my cousin who was 31 shot himself almost 10 years ago, I don't take any chances anymore.
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2012
  9. GoldenOne7710

    GoldenOne7710 Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Athens, GA
    A 911 call is a different scenario. That's an EMERGENCY situation....or is treated like one since 911 was called, but it's basically the same as option #2.

    Option #1 is used if the situation is not an 'emergency'. You just feel like the person needs help, but they're not willing to admit it or refuse to get treatment.
  10. rgearhead

    rgearhead Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

    Sep 14, 2006
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