Agreed. I will double check everything again. Pretty sure it's down all the way, when I change shims I can see some rub marks on them. I was thinking exactly what you said about not a lot of change. From other posts I've read and articles, most 10 Bolt 8.5 rebuilds guys are usually around .030-.035, .032 .033 average. Stock shim was .040 and that's what I started with. I thought I would have found the right spot by now. I will check it all again later after work. Thx again for all your input.