1970 Camaro. Project "Cindy"

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  1. iregret

    iregret Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    Meet Cindy!

    Table of Contents

    Page 1
    Post 2
    Project Introduction

    Page 3
    Post 34
    Ordered Suspension Kit
    Post 36
    Ordered Exhaust
    Post 37
    Ordered Intro Wheels
    Post 44
    Ordered Tires

    Page 4
    Post 47
    Pulled Engine out of 1980 Camaro
    Post 50
    Pulled Engine out of 1970 Camaro, Cindy
    Post 51
    Begin engine bay cleanup
    Post 54
    How to remove a rear end
    Post 55
    How to remove a gas tank
    Post 59
    How to cleanup and paint a rear end

    Page 5
    Post 61
    How to tear down front suspension
    Post 62
    How to install axles and rear disk brakes
    Post 72
    Lower control arm cleanup and front disk brake disassembly
    Post 73
    Spindle disassembly and cleanup
    Post 74
    Lower control arm paint and engine cleanup
    Post 75
    Engine bay primed

    Page 6
    Post 82
    Engine bay painted flat black
    Post 84
    How to modify your spindles to accept C5 brakes

    Page 7
    Post 91
    Painted intake manifold and water pump flat black
    Post 92
    Engine Clean up
    Post 94
    Drilled out Spindles and Painted
    Post 95
    Motor mount removal and clean up. Control Arm and Spindle Installation
    Post 96
    Hub Prep, and C5 Installation
    Post 97
    Cleaned and Painted Steering Linkages. Cut wheel studs down.
    Post 98
    Ordered Flat Valve Stems
    Post 101
    Steering Linkage and Sway Bar Install

    Page 8
    Post 109
    Cleaned up and painted engine and transmission. Oil Pan Installation
    Post 114
    Header clean up and Intake Manifold Installation
    Post 120
    Torque Converter Install. Engine and Transmission bolted together.

    Page 9
    Post 121
    Engine and transmission install
    Post 124
    Hood hinges clean and paint. Speedometer cable installation. Center console removal. Gauge installation.
    Post 128
    Cleaned up transmission cooler lines. Harmonic balancer Installation.
    Post 132
    Gas tank cleaned and painted. Summit order received.

    Page 10
    Post 140
    Sealed gas tank with JB Weld. De-rusted and painted above gas tank.
    Post 141
    Gas tank installed
    Post 143
    Interior removal and cleanup
    Post 144
    E-brake removal. De-rusted and painted floor.
    Post 148
    Installed sound deadener
    Post 150
    Holes behind back seat sealed

    Page 11
    Post 151
    Distributor modification. Fuel pump installation. Transmission line installation.
     
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  2. iregret

    iregret Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    Project Cindy...lol That's funny! When I brought my car home, my wife started calling her Cindy for some reason!

    Anyhow, I figure its as good as any other project name...

    I'm starting my buildup thread. I am so glad that there is a dedicated place for these threads now! I had asked about it earlier, and it was suggested to me to use cardomain. Well, since I think cardomain, is full of preteen losers, showing off the cars that their parents bought them, I am glad that I wont be doing that. Another suggestion was to start my own website. While that would be cool, I would just rather post up in a build up thread for everyone to see!


    Anyway, I just wanted to start out saying "Thank you!" To whomever was the person that made this happen...

    Here we go...

    My first car was a 1980 Camaro. It was my Grandmother's car. Every year we would go on trips up and down the west coast. Specifically, to visit Crescent City California. When I turn 14 I got my fist job. At 15, after 2 summers of work, I bought the Camaro. The Camaro, was all stock, gold in color, with sagging leaf springs. Complimented with a Buick 231 V6, and a TH350 Buick transmission. I drove the car around like that for a couple of years. I had some dumb friends, that didn't like my car, and tried to convince me to get rid of it, and pick up a thrid gen. At the time, I didn't know allot about cars. Convincingly, they made up a list of what was "wrong" with the car, and I tried to convince my mother i needed to sell it. Well, from that, I decided that I better build a new engine for the car at least. When I graduated high school, I convinced my Grandmother to buy me a complete black interior out of an 81 Camaro. My car had tan. In hindsight, I should have stuck with tan, again, I was stupid in that regard as a younger man. So I started reading. Reading, about how to build a small block Chevy. First I was going to go buy the Napa small block, and be done with it, but that's not really how I operate. Nothing is all that simple for me. Plus, it didn't hurt that my uncle managed 5 parts stores. What came of that combo was, instead of a mild small block 350, I had started to build a full roller, 6500 rpm, 450+ horse power engine. Hooker Super Comp headers, Berry grant "speed claw" carb, Edelbrock Vic Jr intake, Sportsman II heads 202/160, steel crank, "pink" rods, forged pistons 20 over, and a 4 bolt main block, out of a 74 blazer.

    ...then i got married...

    ...then i joined the military...

    ...then i deployed to Afghanistan (it was at this point when I finally joined the nasty)...

    ...then i came home from deploying...

    ...then i went back to Oregon, to put my Camaro together...

    So, the engine has been built and sitting for a couple of years at this time. One of the first things I bought for the Camaro was a TCI Transmission. It had been sitting in the Camaro waiting... A friend of mine was going to a local
    college for automotive studies. He, and a few friends, rebuilt the rear end for me. Changed from 2.73 open, to 3.73, Lockrite locker. I had 30 days of leave saved up when I made the trip back to Oregon. My wife and young son didn't come with me. She wouldn't have it. I completely assembled my Camaro in 2 weeks, and drove back almost straight (36 Hours), to make it home on her birthday. When I was asleep, she went and filed for a divorce.

    ...then i got divorced...

    ...then, i went "Palace Chase", and joined the reserves...

    ...then i moved back to Oregon (2004)...

    The Camaro still sits like this to this day. The thing only has 4000 miles on it. Most of the time, it was brought up to temp for a short while. But, honestly, its just sat there, wasting away. Until finally, my parents asked me one
    day what the plan for the car was. They asked what I was going to do with it. They wanted me to sell it. I said, I had intentions on restoring "Granny's" car, and that I could never get rid of it because of how much it would piss off my family. They responded by telling me, "Who cares what they think? Its not even the same car now." I was kind of shocked, and asked if they were serious. They were.

    So I decided that I was going to build my dream car. A 70-73 RS Camaro...

    I looked for a while. I worked allot. When I finally became serious, I posted up a thread on this site.

    Here..
    http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94904&page=5

    But here are the highlights...
    That was August 07.

    Meanwhile, a little contest developed at work. Me, and two of my friends, had agreed to build cars, and run them at the drag strip. One friend, is building a Mustang II, with a Chevy 307 (don't ask lol), and another is big into Honda's, and is planning on building a 93 turbo hatchback. Well recently, the Honda guy was fired for not being able to show up to work on time...


    I am building my Camaro. Although, I don't want to build it as a straight up drag car, I want a responsibly handling Camaro, more along the lines of "Pro Street".
     
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  3. iregret

    iregret Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    I like research, lots and lots of research.... I still have a bunch of questions, but have managed to break my Camaro down into 4 major stages.



    Stage I 350.00 - 950.00

    Harmonic Balancer DONE
    Fix Oil Leak
    Battery DONE
    Tune Up
    Fuel Pump DONE
    Exhaust
    Engine/Drivetrain Swap
    Speedometer Cable
    Gauge Cluster Swap
    Shifter Swap

    Let me explain stage I. When I put together my engine years ago, I was mistakenly given the wrong harmonic balancer. After much frustration with the car not starting, we figured out that the timing was off, because the marks on the
    balancer were in the wrong spot. So, that should be replaced.

    After sitting for a number of years, my engine developed an oil leak. I need to figure that one out. The battery is bad, but I have an extra yellow top left over from another project.
    I originally used a Holley "Blue" fuel pump. Man that thing is annoying! I want to switch to a mechanical fuel system.


    Stage II 2700.00 - 3000.00

    Suspension
    17" Wheels 60each 240.00
    Tires 420.00
    C5 Brakes (all4) 750.00

    SPC Adjustable
    Upper controlarm 425.00pr
    Howe Tall upper
    Ball joints 170.00pr
    Del-a-lum bushings 170.00pr


    Racing Suspension Kit 789.00
    Solid Body Bushings 089.00
    G-Brace 159.00
    Drive shaft Loop 052.00
    Perforance front end rebuild 339.00
    Competition Control Arms 259.00

    HydroBoost

    I am still unsure what route to go with on the suspension. On one hand, I like the idea of supporting the "little guy" so to speak. The problem I have is that everyone likes that Hotchkis kit so much! I would like some feed back from people concerning this. Hotchkis VS ProtouringFbody


    I was all set on getting the steel wheel setup. Custom backspacing, any size I wanted, and most importantly...CHEAP! But, then after searching around, I came accross these:

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    Man, those wheels are bad-ass!

    OH, and cool stripes on this Camaro too!
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    Apparently those wheels come from here:
    So, when the time comes for wheels, I will be getting ahold of John, if I can find him... Looks like I just expanded my budget at least 1200.00!lol

    Recently I discovered American Racing's Torqlite wheels.
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    Here are some pics on a big bumper Camaro. I might go this route depending on the price I get quoted from John when I get a hold of him...
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    Stage III 1200.00 - 2000.00
    Alarm
    Cowl Hood
    Front Spoiler
    Rear Spoiler
    Interior

    As far as Stage III goes, I have a bit of a dilemma here... I have been talking to anvil1 about a complete Carbon Fiber Setup. I really like the idea of having Carbon Fiber RS Stripes! The big problem I have with this the fact that I really looked hard to find an original RS Camaro! I am struggling with the idea of taking all the RS stuff off of my Camaro, and replacing them with Carbon Fiber. If it was originally a nonRS car, then it wouldn't bother me. There are just more of those cars in the world...



    Stage IV 800.00 - 1500.00

    Vinyl Top Replacement
    Tail Light Panel
    Paint/Body Work

    I am not a big fan of the Vinyl Top. But, my wife is. So since she likes it, and the car came with it, we're keeping it. I was also swayed to go with the short spoiler. At first I really wanted the tall spoiler, but after really
    looking into it, I think that I like the one piece spoiler better. It makes the car look more "60's" to me for some reason.



    Online Finds (craigslist, nastyz28, protouring, ebay)

    Coreabu TRS Seats, new 500.00
    K&N Filter
    +Billet Hold down
    +Holley Mech fuel pump
    +Dipstick Tube = 200.00
    Seat Mounts 50.00
    Hydraboost bracket 130.00 (SOLD)
    Fluid Dampner 130.00
    CPP Hydroboost kit 600.00
     
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  4. iregret

    iregret Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    Notes

    SPC A-Arms from summit
    http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SPS%2D94340&N=700+400885+115&autoview=sku
    SC&C
    http://www.scandc.com/index.htm

    Hotchkis Kit on Ebay
    1079 + free shipping

    Front End Rebuild

    Herb Adams Mod

    C5 Corvette Brake Swap Questions

    Front: 17x8" 5" Backspace 255/40WR17
    Rear: 17x11" 5.75" Backspace 315/35WR17


    FROM:
    http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97994

    Cragar Soft 8 (steel truck wheels)
    17x8 in the front with 255/40ZR/17 Sumitomo
    17x9 in the rear with 275/40ZR/17 Sumitomo
    Sumitomo

    Ultimate c5 brake reference post
    http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74546

    C5 Parts List(Front)
    OEM Frt. Brake Pads 12530681
    Ceramic Frt. Pads & Hardware 88909667
    Frt. Left Caliper (Black) 12530683
    Frt. Right Caliper (Black) 12530682
    13" C5 Rotor (Passenger) 10445856
    13" C5 Rotor (Driver) 10445857
    13" C5 Rotor (Cross Drilled) 88926732
    13" C5 Rotor (Cross Drilled) 88926731
    C5 Caliper Abutment (RH & LH) 12455799
    C5 Caliper Abutment Boot (2 req'd) 12530703
    C5 Caliper Abutment Pins (2 req'd) 12530697
    C5 Caliper Bolts (2 req'd - included w/ caliper) 14067559
    C5 Caliper Banjo Bolt (2 req'd) 22163795

    C5 Rear Caliper Info
    CADILLAC XLR (2004 - 2008)
    CADILLAC XLR PLATINUM 2008
    CHEVROLET CORVETTE (1997 - 2008)
    CHEVROLET CORVETTE 427 LIMITED EDITION Z06 2008
    CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (2001 - 2008)

    Subframe Connectors Plans
    http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10965

    Direct link to plans:
    http://www.mass-pc.com/camaro/subframe1.jpg
    http://www.mass-pc.com/camaro/subframe2.jpg
    http://www.mass-pc.com/camaro/subframe3.jpg
    http://www.mass-pc.com/camaro/subframe4.jpg

    Exhaust Info
    carcarft

    Flowmaster Kit

    Thrush Kit

    Pypes Transverse Kit

    Ford Nine Info

    length Year model

    57.25 1957-1959 Ford, Ranchero, Station Wagon
    57.25 1965-1966 Mustang
    58.00 1966-1977 Bronco
    58.00 1964-1965 Falcon
    58.00 1977-1981 Granada/Versailles
    58.50 1977-1981 Versailles
    60.00 1958-1960 Edsel
    61.00 1964-1971 Ford Full Size
    61.00 1949-1951 Mercury
    61.25 1957-1972 Ford F-100 Pickup
    61.25 1960-1964 Ford Full Size
    61.25 1971-1973 Mustang
    61.25 1967-1973 Torino, Ranchero, Fairlane
    63.00 1970-1979 Ranchero & Torino
    63.00 1972-1979 Ford Full Size & Intermediate
    63.50 1967 Fairlane
    65.25 1973-1986 Ford F-150 Pickup
    65.25 1978-1986 Bronco
    65.25 1973-1986 Ford Van 3/4 Ton
    68.00 1972 Ford Van 3/4 Ton
    69.25 1977-1986 Ford E-150 Van

    Chevy Widths

    Drum to drum

    OutsideWidth Year Model

    57.75 1962-1964 Chevy II/Nova
    57.75 1965-1967 Chevy II/Nova
    58.00 1978-1988 Chevy Malibu, Monte Carlo
    59.50 1968-1982 Corvette
    60.00 1955-1964 Chevy Car
    60.00 1967-1969 Camaro
    60.25 1968-1979 Chevy II/Nova
    60.50 1984-1995 Corvette
    60.50 1964-1967 Chevelle
    62.00 1955-1959 Chevy Pickup
    62.50 1968-1972 Chevelle
    62.50 1970-1981 Camaro/Firebird



    Second Gen Camaro Axle Width
    Axle flange to axle flange == 55.25"
    Rear track width = 60"
     
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  5. iregret

    iregret Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    need the space...
     
  6. rgearhead

    rgearhead Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    intresting story ,,,,nice project you have there and an RS toboot,,,
     
  7. BTTB71SS

    BTTB71SS Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    iregret

    Love the charcoal/silver with the black stripes. Bad @ss looking car there.
     
  8. Camarocore

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    its from 2007 SEMA
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    the owner was a very nice guy
     
  9. iregret

    iregret Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    Okay, lets say hypothetically you had 3000.00 or so dollars to put into this car. What would you guys do?

    I would like to get the suspension, brakes, and wheels done. I came across these wheels:

    http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/pts/596305247.html


    So if I can get these wheels for 300.00, should I go with these or get me a set of the torqlites? (160ish a piece)
    Also, have to consider that I may need spacers. Plus, I don't think those tires will fit on a second gen.

    Do you guys think its worth the price difference in exhaust setups?

    http://www.jegs.com/i/Dynomax/289/89021/10002/-1/773398%7C10253
    http://www.jegs.com/i/Flowmaster/389/17104K/10002/-1

    I know this is a tough one but, should I go with the hotchkis or the protouringfbody kit?

    Here is an email I recieved from protouring:
    Is it really necessary to get a different a arm? What one is highly recommended? I would like the adjustable one, but how often do you really adjust it?

    Just looking for some friendly advice...
     
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  10. protour73

    protour73 Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    Ummmmmmmm, can you rename your project? My wifes name is Cindy and she is going to be pissed that I didn't name MY car Cindy too!!!.....thank you:rolleyes:

    BTW.......nice build!!!
     

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