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05-10-2006, 11:04:52 PM
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Installing Engine/Trans together..
Im curious as to what you guys think about dropping the engine and trans in as 1 unit? currently I have no engine installed but there is a 3 speed still mounted in. I plan on removing the 3 speed and installing my TH350 that i have a shift kit in, along with my new GM 350 crate engine. What im wondering about is possibly using one of those lifting plates you mount to the manifold and connect your cherry picker from there. The engine has a edelbrock intake everything else is stock. Is this too much weight or am i better off just bolting to the block. Im getting one of those setups for the hoist that allow you to change the angle as you manuever the engine into position.
The main reason i want to do it as one unit is I may be doing this by myself, and dont want to deal with trying to install a trans from underneither and fuss with lining it up with the dowels on the block. What do you guys suggest?
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05-10-2006, 11:16:56 PM
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its the only way to fly. I did the same thing as have many others here on the board. Only diffrence is that I used chains bolted to the front and back of each head and one of those load levelers to get it all lined up. Saves you the trouble of having to crawl under the car and get it all lined up and bolted together.
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05-10-2006, 11:50:31 PM
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I used to always do them seperately but my last 3 times(all this winter/spring, don't ask) I've done them as a pair & now I'm convinced it is easier.
I just used a chain from the front of one head to the other(intake not on) & with my wife running the hoist, everything was settled in place within 10 minutes.
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05-11-2006, 12:38:40 AM
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Just did exact thing...no problem.
I just installed a 350 engine, Turbo 350 tranny bolted together. Used the bracket on top, bolted to carb holes. Took me and my friend about 30 minutes. Just go slowly and it will go in. No chains, but they do help a lot if you can get a hold of them.
I don't know if this makes any difference or not, but I did remove the hood, and pull the headers out of the way to help give me plenty of room.
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05-11-2006, 04:52:31 AM
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Together again. Much better together as less likely to ruin the pump not having the converter seated. With a manual, unless you like lifting (in my younger days I cycled a T10 in and out four times in one day trying to find a clutch problem), installed is the only way to fly.
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05-11-2006, 09:06:36 AM
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a BIG amen to installing them together....whew! those trannys get heavy laying onb your back doing a bench press with a big hvy tranny!
And those levelers are the ONLY way to go about it as well.....
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05-11-2006, 10:47:43 AM
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L. G. M. / Moderator
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If you are replacing/rebuilding the engine or engine AND tranny... pull them together. (Hood off and front of car raised, rear wheels blocked.)
If you are replacing/rebuilding only the tranny... leave the engine in place and drop the tranny from below.
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05-11-2006, 11:18:59 AM
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Beg, borrow or steal (JK!) an engine leveler. There is NO other way to fly if you are installing an engine and trans together. Cuts the job time in half in my opinion.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...70_19979_19979
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05-11-2006, 11:50:35 AM
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Haha...love the fake engine in the northern tool pic!
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05-11-2006, 01:11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Badkarma
Only diffrence is that I used chains bolted to the front and back of each head and one of those load levelers to get it all lined up.
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BINGO!! That's what I have typically done in the past. Much easier!
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05-11-2006, 01:57:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Badkarma
its the only way to fly. I did the same thing as have many others here on the board. Only diffrence is that I used chains bolted to the front and back of each head and one of those load levelers to get it all lined up. Saves you the trouble of having to crawl under the car and get it all lined up and bolted together.
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I would think that on a camaro you might have clearance issues bolting a chain to the heads (esp the rear), but I tell you those load levelers are worth their weight in gold.
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05-11-2006, 08:12:49 PM
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it is no problem, i've done it twice with my tranny already bolted on... I have a 4 speed but it should work the same. I have always bolted up my tranny first to align the clutch. It slides in easy.
I had a 2x4 on the floor board to help protect it. You'll see what I mean when you try
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05-11-2006, 10:42:49 PM
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The last couple of times I had mine out, I pulled the hood, fenders, disconnected the front brake lines, and pulled the whole front subframe off. Had everything off and out in about 45 mintues. Extremely easy to work on stuff, and its a great time to clean up the engine bay and whatnot.
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05-11-2006, 10:45:58 PM
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yes I wish I would have done that to mine... Too late now until an engine refresh...
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05-11-2006, 11:33:29 PM
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the hoods already off cause i sandblasted teh engine compartment and painted it, i just have to remove the 3 speed, get teh correct motor mounts then i can drop it in. Summit i think had the level for like 50 bucks or something.
i was just worried that weight issue and using a carb plate. I think i still may have the lift brackets that came on the engine when i first got it.
So what do you guys suggest chains on each corner of the block or a carb plate?
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