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Old 01-29-2014, 01:36:40 AM   #1
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The Schwartz/Raybestos 71 Camaro Giveaway Car

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/1...-rs-raybestos/

Some great fab work goin on with this one!

Appears they're gonna piss off a lot of the "fake RS" crowd though. lol: cool:
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Old 01-29-2014, 08:49:27 AM   #2
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Appears they're gonna piss off a lot of the "fake RS" crowd though. lol: cool:


??? How do you arrive at that conclusion?
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:08:13 AM   #3
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Not an RS nose.
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:09:00 AM   #4
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??? How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Looks like they are using the standard front sheetmetal, hopefully they don't put stubby bumpers on the front. The full bumper looks better.
Interested in the extra frame rail and crossmember setup, wonder what gives.

Looks like they built a full frame under the car and threw the stub away. Looks heavy, they should have lightened the original rear frame rails if they aren't doing anything.
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:13:02 AM   #5
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Looks like they are using the standard front sheetmetal, hopefully they don't put stubby bumpers on the front. The full bumper looks better.
Interested in the extra frame rail and crossmember setup, wonder what gives.

I am sure they are using one of Schwartz's full frames under it


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that car will handle like a slot car! do want!
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I am sure they are using one of Schwartz's full frames under it


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Old 01-29-2014, 09:19:56 AM   #8
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You know... all the 70-73's I see around have the RS front end. I'd like to see a few full bumpers in person.


I get real tired of everyone using essentially the same damned parts though. If you're a high-end, custom fabrication shop, fabricate something that's custom and high-end. I liked what the ring brothers did with the gas neck on that one they did. I also liked the (Spectre?) camaro where they put CAI's where the RS turn signal were. Covan's dashes, crate engines, Foose wheels, Autometer gauges, Cowl hoods....... ***yawn***
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I priced a roller chassis, lowest options at close to 19k. I'm sure that's without wheels and tires.
Put a body on there with all the hardware, interior,trim, and paint. You have another 10-15k. Engine/transmission, 10k or more.
I'm seeing close to 50k in materials going into this build. I'm sure over 60k with guages, interior, glass, exhaust, and components.
Labor cost could rack up to 30k easy.
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But if it looks like every other Camero (<- spelled that way on purpose) how can you call yourself a custom fabrication shop?

I'm not impressed with someone throwing money at a build - I can see that all day long on the internet. I want to see something different - The guys who did the small tube frame chassis... THAT was cool. Buying a $25k chassis and putting it under a repop body... how much imagination and fabrication skills does that take? As far as I am concerned, all you did was write a check and follow the instructions to put it together. <-- FAIL at custom fabrication.
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Everyone is on the "ProTour" bandwagon and are trying to make some coin off the industry. There will always be the guy with more sense than money and say "Just get her done"

I'll take Keizer or Tommy's anytime.

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But if it looks like every other Camero (<- spelled that way on purpose) how can you call yourself a custom fabrication shop?

I'm not impressed with someone throwing money at a build - I can see that all day long on the internet. I want to see something different - The guys who did the small tube frame chassis... THAT was cool. Buying a $25k chassis and putting it under a repop body... how much imagination and fabrication skills does that take? As far as I am concerned, all you did was write a check and follow the instructions to put it together. <-- FAIL at custom fabrication.

When's the last time you designed and built a full custom tube chassis for a car?

Show us what you've got or done.......
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You know... all the 70-73's I see around have the RS front end. I'd like to see a few full bumpers in person.

Dont hold your breath on this one because I dont see a bumper on these sketches.

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I get what you guys are saying about it not being a "Custom Build" But hell it would be one hell of a nice ride. I wouldn't say no if I won something like that.
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When's the last time you designed and built a full custom tube chassis for a car?

Show us what you've got or done.......


Made my own dash... link to build thread in my sig, smart guy, lol. Making my own hood, just need the time to actually get the stuff to finish it up. Guaranteed, you've never seen either before, and I'm a CPA who dabble, not a high-end, custom fab shop spending $100k, with boatload of experience and a full shop.

Would I do a full tube chassis... abso-f*****g-lutely... if I had the time and shop to do it.

My point is, show me the fabrication? Buying other peoples products and bolting them together might produce an impressive car, but took little skill on your part to do.... especially if you're a high-dollar shop. If they're doing this to showcase their own products (the chassis), then I've got no problems with it... just not something I'm going to go getting all hot-and-bothered about.

And btw, like the most of us... I don't see the point in a $20k+ chassis on a street car. Might handle unbelievably well, but how are you going to tell doing 35 mph in traffic through town.
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