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Old 08-10-2012, 03:55:11 PM   #1
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Manual shift pattern HELP!!!

Have a very weird problem with the shift pattern, car is a factory 1979 4 speed Z28. Reverse is Left and Back, every Camaro shift pattern I have seen is Left and Forward. The owner owned one in his earlier years and remembers Left and Up. The main problem is that in this car, when you put it in reverse because it is left and back it hits the center console because it narrows in the back. Unlike if it went forward it would not hit because the console opens up more.

Any help would be much abliged.

1979 Camaro Z28 Saginaw 4 Speed with Hurst shifter. Cannot tell if it is a factory shifting unit with a hurst shifter lever added on or a complete hurst unit. In which, the hurst pattern was the same as factory. Just Weird!
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:03:41 PM   #2
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Try reversing the shift tang on the reverse lever on the tranny. If it is up now, face it down. If it is down, face it up.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:21:58 PM   #3
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Hurst made shifters for both options, with or without consoles. The shape of the stick and or the mounting bracket could come into play here. The only to know for sure is to list and compare part #'s.
http://www.hurst-shifters.com/?wpsc_...2%AE&paged =3
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'79 Z28 with a 4-spd came with a Borg Warner not a Saginaw tranny.
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Old 08-10-2012, 05:45:09 PM   #5
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Try reversing the shift tang on the reverse lever on the tranny. If it is up now, face it down. If it is down, face it up.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:04:37 PM   #6
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'79 Z28 with a 4-spd came with a Borg Warner not a Saginaw tranny.
Its for sure a Saginaw...yay, another problem to deal with.
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If its that easy I would be doing backflips!!!
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:12:56 PM   #8
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A Saginaw likely has a different reverse shift pattern than the Borg Warner or the Muncie. This might be right for the tranny.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:07:26 PM   #9
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My '77 has the orig. Saginaw- no console- reverse left and down (lift 'R')
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Old 08-11-2012, 12:03:07 AM   #10
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i have my saginaw set so reverse is up&left. You can change this buy the position of the linkage. You might not be able to just flip the linkage tang over. You might need a different one. All depends how the sloted hole lines up when you flip it over. You will also need to adjust the reverse linkage rod more then likely.


Heres what mine looks like. You can see the tangs. Tang to the far right is reverse. If you turn it so its pointing down it will reverse which way reverse goes into gear.

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Old 08-11-2012, 07:20:04 AM   #11
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Saginaw Rev Linkage

I had a T-10 in my 79-Z, and currently a Sag 4-speed in my 73. Both patterns with factory shifters and consoles were lift to the left and up. Here is a photo of Sag Reverse linkage in my 73. I accidentally made the mistake of installing the linkage upside down in the 79 one time when reinstalling it, and 1st gear was 2nd and so on.

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Old 08-11-2012, 10:43:00 AM   #12
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I have a sag in my 80. Reverse is lift up on the shifter, push toward driver door, slide all the way back toward the back seat.

Every sag I have seen is the same.

I could see as hoot said however if you wanted to reverse it.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:11:35 AM   #13
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mine is set up as up and foreward so as "above" first gear
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swapping the lever would create some difficulties with the backdrive linkage?? hence the reverse lights
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Old 08-11-2012, 02:57:30 PM   #15
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My '75 had a Factory Saginaw and the shifter ball looked like this...

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