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Old 08-07-2010, 05:09:21 PM   #1
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Earlysecond's SECOND Attempt '70 Coupe

History: I bought a basketcase 1970 sport coupe in late October of 2002. It was waiting to become a drag car but the owner sold it to me instead. I turned the car from a complete pile of parts to a street able restified 70 base coupe including all parts and paint in about 18 months. There were plenty of times I was in the garage until 3a.m. much to wifey's dismay.

Instead of starting at the beginning of the story I refer you to my car website for all of the gory details: http://webpages.charter.net/BBCamaro/

April of 2004 saw the car on the road. A first attempt amateur restoration complete with ill fitting body panels, plenty of squeaks some paint defects and various other imperfections which started to grate on me after the thrill of completion wore off.

After the car was "complete" I found that I did not like driving it nearly as much as I thought I would. It was loud, smelled of rich, unburned fuel, needed to warm up for awhile before being driven and seemed to always be working too hard. In June of last year I installed a T-56 6 speed transmission I bought from a board member. The drivability of the car increased 10 fold BUT there were/are too many "little" things that I did half or did not complete that began to bother me really bad. . .so much so that I have not driven the car this summer since Mid June when the registration and inspection ran out.

I have made a MONUMENTAL decision to ATTEMPT to get myself motivated to do this car "right" the SECOND time around. Since the time I completed my first attempt 6 years ago the restoration has begun to show some wear. I never babied the car, it is rain driven and often sits outside when I am painting other vehicles in my garage. Since the time of completion I have really honed my bodywork, metalwork and paintwork skills to the point that I now believe I can give this car the "do over" it needs.

Sadly, I have been out of work for 7 months and would not invest the needed money to this redo DESPITE having fairly unlimited time to do it. Being unemployed has taught me that if you need to sell some toys, they had better be in top condition. While this car is NOT for sale right now, that may change. I am getting closer to some job offers but my earning potential has changed for the worse, at least for the time being. It is possible that I am doing this car right in preparation to sell it. My 16 year old daughter would likely never forgive me but I have sacrificed many things to own this car. . .the least of which is money.

OK it is getting long winded so here is a thumbnail sketch of items which need attention while I am waiting for the accompanying photos to upload so that I can let you see what I am talking about.

In order of the items that bug me, most to least:

1.)I tried to make the door gaps on my car too perfect. The driver door neither aligns right not shuts correctly. Both doors are so far reward that they do not make enough contact to shut of the interior lights via the switches low inside the A pillar. Speaking of A pillars, this car was hit hard on the drivers side where the door hinges mount. This may need substantial work as I need to make up nearly ˝ inch of adjustment at the top hinge. I am sweating this part a bit
2.) There are areas I patched half assed before I could weld. These include but are not limited to: driver's rocker, cowl panel at A pillar joints, drivers dog leg front fender, both quarters behind the wheel arch, windshield channel, trunk drop off and extension driver's side. All of these areas plus MORE exhibit some bubbling starting and that needs to be addressed.
3.) I prepared most of the car in lacquer primer which is FAR from ideal. It has caused adhesion problems, paint chipping, large solvent bubbles and numerous other problems
4.) I have some “muddy” body lines that bother me in the rear of the car.
5.) I made a “pimple” in the roof skin when I ran a screw up for a wiring harness from the inside. .. oops
6.) I never took the time to work the filler low on the car AND there is just too much of it
7.) The hood has never shut properly and or never been properly adjusted, it has always been a tricky pain to close, so much so that I am the only person who has ever shut it.
8.) My rally stripes are crooked
9.) For some reason I hosed lacquer primer on the hood, it is so thick that it has shrunk and cracked in places.
10.) Passenger side headlight is not centered in the hole in the header . There is a hole in the header which I am surprised has not rusted. The bezels on both sides need new ones.
11.) The rear window is leaking, has ruined the parcel shelf
12.) I neglected the car, parked in my rodent infested garage (a really recent problem) and left the windows down with a bag of sunflower seeds on the floor. . . .BIG mistake, remember that 70 rear seats are Jute and Burlap. . .ideal mouse nesting material

For all of these major reasons and MANY more minor ones, it is time to get started.
I was going to start this post earlier this morning, but as late as noon I had not fully committed. WELL that changed about that time and 4 hours later the car has been stripped of most of its interior, drip rails, weatherstripping, glass, door handles, locks and many other parts. Most anything that is left inside is loose except for the headliner and upper dash (which is shot anyway)

Pictures before: (yes I know it looked OK but not good enough)




An example of a muddy bodyline and a paint chip that goes to metal
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Old 08-07-2010, 05:33:26 PM   #2
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More Pictures:

Poor fitting passenger door with a dent I NEVER remembered to remove somehow?


Too tight of door gaps caused panel contact and then the paint chipped on the panel edge due to thickness and lack of adhesion PLUS a crooked, ill placed Camaro script badge


The hood alignment was always poor, when I attempted to adjust it recently, a cracked the paint by forcing it down so hard that it "oil canned"


Crooked stripes, a hood that will not close and cracked paint. . .overall what a great hood it is. . .NOT!


Ill fitting door that NEVER closed right. I made all of the gaps too tight and that caused much trouble!



Shimmed hinge. . . this fix may require a frame machine or a redneck fram machine (pull back ram on the porta power which gets attached to a tree!)


Moulding that I tried to MAKE fit wil too big a hammer. The glass is not properly installed. Both the windsheild and rear glass will need to come out, some damage fixed and reinstalled. I will pay a buddy who is a pro to do it this time! My first attmept was wrong AND leaks
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Old 08-07-2010, 05:34:15 PM   #3
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When using filler, make sure it is totally finished even underneath the panel. .. if it is not sealed it will rust! This was a lazy oversight but I did it on both sides!


I have better learned how to paint oddly shaped pieces since I did this:


This headlight was never centered, not sure of the problem


The mice found my sunflower seeds:


This MAY just be THE KING of all paint blisters. NO more 1K lacquer primer for this hood. PLUS I misused the product in my stupidity!


These are just some of the things that I have had issues with. There are other minor problems in the interior. I noticed today that one side of the rear of the car sits lower so the rear springs need attention. I plan to completley strip the paint. .. again and I have not yet made a final color choice BUT I have a feeling it will be drastically different, think BLUE.

Next 4 hours of progress
PS I never knew that there was a 10 pic limit per post so sorry for continuing!
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Old 08-07-2010, 05:49:35 PM   #4
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SO I finally decided to begin Camaro part Deux!

I remembered putting this car together so it came apart fairly quickly. I guess these are "regress" pictures as opposed to progress?

It is a start and it went quickly. It is pretty well stripped inside and the seats are just sitting there. I uncovered some 6 year old "hidden" messages in the car. I had written some things on one of the plastic door liners I used and my daughter, who was 10 at the time hid an "I love you daddy" note under the cover on the rear seat tranny hump. I save the note, she remembers leaving it there for me! how cool. .. she loves that stinkin car more than I do.

Doors totally stripped:


where is my interior? Stashed away safely for now:


mylar bubble wrap still in place and holding up well. Some of the peel and seal has deterioriated. . .it looks like what you get when shingles degrade. It was not the sun that did it so I have no idea. It is only 7 yrs old!!


Freakin' rodents! This pile half filled a plastic grocery bag. My seats needed updated to foam long ago, this time it will happen


This is MY helper. She is the ONLY one that will help me. Guy if you see this picture I did NOT steal your lab. Her name is Ellie and as a pup she has to wear her "special" collar for awhile yet. . .it helps her to listen much better.




That is all for today. I committed to this so that there is NO turning back. I will start to round up patch panels, hopefully locally, Monday. I need a plan for pulling the glass and the springs so they can get re arched but that is down the line.

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All pictures in the album can be found here:
http://rides.webshots.com/album/578342563OiBQZx
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Old 08-07-2010, 06:24:21 PM   #5
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Old 08-07-2010, 06:47:37 PM   #6
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Well I'll tell ya Brent, for your first restoration I think the car looks pretty good!!! We all learn alot on our first ones, I know I did. I often think I should have done another car before my camaro. But I am still very happy how my car turned out. I always pic out the inperfections in my car in conversation, but Debbie(wife)keeps telling me.........."she looks fine". I say back "ya but..............." lol
So now take your car apart and do it better, that's all.

Wow............Ellie could be Buster's sister. You say she is a pup....how old is she? Buster had a very rud mind of his own till he got over a year old. Now he listens pretty good.
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Old 08-07-2010, 07:02:13 PM   #7
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Good luck on Project 2.0 - this is why I am taking my time. I don't want to do this a second time (at least not on this car!). I am sure this thread will be packed with great info.
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Old 08-07-2010, 08:04:07 PM   #8
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Thanks for the encouragement guys,

Blade, thanks for the well wishes. . .I feel a job coming soon, I should have started this earlier

Guy-certainly WE are our own worst critics. I know every flaw and problem with that car and THAT is exactly what has driven me to leave it sit and not drive it. To embarrassed about the little stuff to show it even for fun. I feel like I constantly have to apologize for the "little" things. And often idiots without cars half as nice as we have start to nit pick and act like buttheads! That really drives me insane!

Ellie is a year and a couple of months we picked her up at 8 weeks old a year ago last weekend. She is beginning to listen. The collar helps. I told you we had twin dogs. Does Buster have similiar coloration on the edges of his ears? That is one charactistic I find really neat about Ellie's coloration.

Aaron- YOU, my friend, are thinking correctly! I rushed so I could drive the car sooner and found that driving the car was not really a "rush" (pardon the pun) BUT I have learned many things and practiced many things that should make this version MUCH better and more satisfactory.

My daughter just went out to the garage and yelled "what the heck did you do to MY car". .. I told you she thinks it is hers right? LOL

I got bored and stripped my bullet mirrors to metal. There were 7 coats of paint including some factory white and some factory primer. I primed them 2X and had trouble with the clear running so I base/cleared them 2X. Nothing that 80 grit cannot handle. Strange how the base coat still smells like the day I sprayed it! Lots of paint dust from this exercise!

As it gets more interesting. I will keep posting. I took most of the interior out today. Tomorrow may just be the font clip so I can see what the heck is up with that driver's door. I DO have new hinges and a new latch for it waiting in the stock parts pile. That will be the early focus of my efforts, that and the hood. I have already tweaked the trunk so that is done.

So far today I ruined- Drivers side door weatherstrip. Passenger side door handle (outside) and the "gasket" (plastic cover) that fits on it. Cheap crappy repop parts. I may search my stuff for an original even if it is crappy looking!!!

Maybe pictures Sunday.

Thanks for following along and the kind words.

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Ellie is a year and a couple of months we picked her up at 8 weeks old a year ago last weekend. She is beginning to listen. The collar helps. I told you we had twin dogs. Does Buster have similiar coloration on the edges of his ears? That is one charactistic I find really neat about Ellie's coloration.

My daughter just went out to the garage and yelled "what the heck did you do to MY car". .. I told you she thinks it is hers right? LOL
Buster's ears are about the same, maybe a tad darker. He is almost 1 1/2 years old.

Just tell your daughter that you are gonna rebuild it better......"we have technology"
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Just tell your daughter that you are gonna rebuild it better......"we have technology"[/quote]


The only problem Guy . . .she never saw the 6 million dollar man, no frame of reference for these kids! haha

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You would think that in 6 years they would have come up with a perfect way to strip urethanes. Especially that hard, thick polyurethanes that I choose to use.

I just came in and cleaned up after stripping one single side of my center section of spoiler with 80 grit and my air hog (chinese IR) DA. The poor compressor is in for a workout unless I change to chemicals!

I am thinking about changing my mind on the whole redo because I have a LOT of paint to strip. I hate chemicals and would not use them on the mirrors or the spoiler pieces anyway. Once I am stripping metal I am gonna get MEAN!

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Old 08-07-2010, 10:56:42 PM   #13
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This time you will appriciate the effort that it takes to do the job right. There iis a reason why they use all those fasteners and clips to hold everything together. You should have no spare parts or holes without bolts in them
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Rich,

I will get it better but am not patient enough to get it perfect. I'm not sure I left too many fasteners out the last time though! I will have to see.
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