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Old 12-18-2009, 12:54:55 PM   #16
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Here's 1 of my helpers. Dan.
I'm going to quasi put the car together, with an eyeball towards quick disassembly so it can be primed/painted (in a couple months). This way I can have all the stupid stuff done & ready (i.e. putting the inside of the doors together and lining up the front metal. I apparently am slightly off (understatement) in the metal adjustments required.... I think the core support is too far forward. Or the subframe isn't in the right spot. I have to measure the placement from my 80Z to this thing to see if the subframe is positioned correctly. The alignment holes in the floor/frame line up. I'm almost 1/2" off from having the fenders hit the core support properly.

This fine-tuning stuff ain't my forte, but I'll get it done. There's plenty of busywork to do on this thing. I'm also going to try and fire the engine up, if I'm lucky - within a month.

Plus this semi-assembly will help me find all the stuff required to put the car together.



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Old 12-18-2009, 01:24:07 PM   #17
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great progress mike. Maybe one of those cars will make it to Carilisle 2010
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:39:06 PM   #18
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Hey Mike,

Your progress is looking very good. Keep posting pictures of your progress. Hopefully, I will start on my 74 Z28 in 2010 with paint, bodywork and interior work. Are you going to paint it the same Medium Red Mettallic color?

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Old 12-18-2009, 07:41:23 PM   #19
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No. It's a tossup between shadow gray (most likely) or admiralty blue.
Problem with shadow gray is I like it a lot.... but I have 1 gallon of admiralty blue paint here (that I bought for my now gone cavalier) already that I'm going to wind up eating, and my 1st car (a 77 camaro) was painted dark blue.

But I'm going to do shadow gray anyway I think. Unless I change my mind. That gallon of blue paint cost me $250. I need to think real hard about the color.

I'll try and keep the pictures coming. Right now I'm trying to keep the progress going.
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Keep up the good work Mike. Glad to see you have a helper.
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Old 12-19-2009, 01:27:53 AM   #21
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If you get the sheet metal lined up real nice then you can drill alignment holes in the panels like Guy did on his 74Z. That seemed to make his reassembly go pretty smooth.
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Old 12-19-2009, 04:11:27 AM   #22
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Go with the Blue, Mike.


But then I'm kinda partial to blue '74 Z28's :-)
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:39:41 AM   #23
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Lookin good Mike.............. gotta love the big bumpers
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:13:46 PM   #24
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Apparently my subframe is 1/2" too far forward. I figured if I had the frame and alignment holes in the body in alignment I'd be where it needed to be.

I just measured the 74Z... from the cowl flange to the front bolt on the vortec intake was 23.5". On my 80Z cowl flange to front bolt of vortec intake - 23.0. The subframe's never been removed from my 80Z.

Which explains why the core support bolt holes are 1/2" in front of where the fenders want them to be. Also explains why I have slightly more access to the back of the block than I'd expect. I'll check to make sure the frame is centered too.

I'll pull the subframe back with a come-along and some chain.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:24:59 PM   #25
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Thats weird, wonder why with the alignment holes right it is 1/2" off? On my 74, I lined up the alignment holes and it was all good.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:42:14 PM   #26
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Mike, Nice project car. Are the 74/81 frames different?
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:44:48 PM   #27
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Yes Russ, there are 2 subframes. 70-74 and 75-81 but IIRC they are only different in the rear.
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Old 12-19-2009, 01:20:07 PM   #28
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There's 3 subframes, with overlap in 1975. 75 won't physically fit a 74. The main difference is in the lengths on the bottom. The reference points up top stay the same.

I basically measured the engine positioning in my engine bay on the 80 and the engine is placed 1/2" closer to the firewall. There's a lot of adjustment, so I'll need to loosen the 4 bolts holding the subframe on and slide it back. That'll pull the core support back with it.

My 74Z had been whacked once upon a time (drivers side), but when I got it, everything had been repaired and the car had been used for a while, before it fell into disrepair and I got my hands on it. I looked closely for buckling on the car before (cowl, floor) and there is none.

I suppose I could have gone and measured the wheelbase too. It'll probably come up at 108.5
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Wow, didn't know there is 3. learn somethin new everyday lol
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Old 12-19-2009, 01:38:04 PM   #30
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I never got around to figuring out what's different with the 75 or where it fits into the mix. As a general rule 70 - 74 and 75/76-81's physically interchange. It's easier to fit a newer frame on an older car, too vs. an older frame onto a newer car.

I got burnt on this many years ago when I tarted up a 1979 subframe and tried to stick it onto this car. After a couple minutes of swearing and hollering I figured out what was wrong. Then I really got to swearing and hollering. Fortunantly I hadn't junked my 74 frame. I wound up redoing that and that's whats in use now.

This car sat outside under my back porch from 1998 to 2006. I spent a lot of time trying to keep it from disintegrating.

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I probably won't update that page. I spent more time updating webpages than I did working on stuff, so I'm cutting that out.
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