Carbon fiber inner fender wells more clearance! - Page 4

BondoSpecial · 08-10-2010, 10:41:00 AM

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will the radiator panel fit a firebird

If you mean the top metal cover plate that includes the 2 rubber upper radiator mount pads on a camaro, then the answer is, no this will not fit a Firebird. Firebirds use a totally different fan shroud setup that is not interchangeable with camaros. The top of the Firebird radiator/header panel bumps up about an inch instead of being flat across where a Camaro cover plate would bolt on.

If you mean the whole front radiator/header panel, the answer is also no, does not interchange with a camaro front end.

PolarBear · 08-10-2010, 06:25:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Toadman2230

Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead, but has there been any progress on these? Anyone have pics?? I have the front sheet metal off of my car and now would be a great time to consider these.

the short answer is, no.
i wont get into it but they wont be from keith or cheap

Teetoe_Jones · 11-23-2010, 04:59:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear

the short answer is, no.
i wont get into it but they wont be from keith or cheap

I'll get into it for you.

Anvil Auto took over the production, modification and development of these inner fenders. We had to rework the steel set that we got and ended up with 70 hours of labor to make them good enough to tool from. We added the pockets to increase tire clearance and smoothed and filled every hole that is not used for mounting.

We offer them in 4 levels-

100% dry carbon with an autoclave
100% carbon wet-lay up, vacuum bagged
carbon/fiberglass wet lay-up, vacuum bagged
100% fiberglass, wet lay-up, vacuum bagged.

We offer the parts in both glossy and satin finishes, and all our parts have a UV protectant in the clear coat.

There is a set on Mary Pozzi's 73 Camaro built at JCG, and Brian Finch is running a set on his car too. They weigh 6 lbs each.

Tyler

badazz81z28 · 11-23-2010, 05:05:28 PM

Who is "we"?? Do you have a link?

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Originally Posted by Teetoe_Jones

I'll get into it for you.

Anvil Auto took over the production, modification and development of these inner fenders. We had to rework the steel set that we got and ended up with 70 hours of labor to make them good enough to tool from. We added the pockets to increase tire clearance and smoothed and filled every hole that is not used for mounting.

We offer them in 4 levels-

100% dry carbon with an autoclave
100% carbon wet-lay up, vacuum bagged
carbon/fiberglass wet lay-up, vacuum bagged
100% fiberglass, wet lay-up, vacuum bagged.

We offer the parts in both glossy and satin finishes, and all our parts have a UV protectant in the clear coat.

There is a set on Mary Pozzi's 73 Camaro built at JCG, and Brian Finch is running a set on his car too. They weigh 6 lbs each.

Tyler

MikeDVC · 11-23-2010, 05:08:13 PM

Anvil http://www.anvilauto.com/

1 gen wheel wells listed, not 2nd gen

badazz81z28 · 11-23-2010, 05:16:15 PM

Looks like more for racing/competition. I don't think the steel ones are all that heavy.

Teetoe_Jones · 11-23-2010, 05:16:48 PM

We are updating our site this week and next week. We have over 25 new products going up, including an entire Mustang line. We also will have full front fenders in carbon available in the next month for the 2nd Gen Camaro.

Tyler

ks71z28 · 11-23-2010, 06:43:48 PM

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Originally Posted by badazz81z28

Looks like more for racing/competition. I don't think the steel ones are all that heavy.

Stock ones weigh 12 pounds each FYI.

Hey Tyler!

Prototype4342 · 11-23-2010, 07:29:29 PM

where's the carbon fiber 78-81 dash?!

i plan on purchasing a lot from that anvil carbon fiber place. as well as some valve covers from custom works.

i love carbon fiber! my wedding band is 100% carbon fiber, haha

78LT383 · 11-23-2010, 10:29:21 PM

Have you done any actual testing on these inner fenders to verify that they are at least as strong as the stock inner fenders in the truss structure they were designed to create?

As you said, by weight, carbon fiber is stronger than steel, but only in tension- not in shear, and not even close in compression. The front fenders and inner fenders create a sort of boxed structure & truss with the front fenders, and so these inner fenders are a vital part of how the whole unibody chassis cradles the front subframe. Like the others, I'm concerned that you might be exposing yourself to a bit of liability and us to extra risk of fatigue fractures of the four subframe mounting points on the cab underbody. I have photographs that I took of floor/toe panel cracks from stresses caused by removed inner front fenders, and it appears that these might also eliminate some of the needed structure in the nose.

Carbon fiber can be a great material, but extensive structural endurance testing should be done to verify things like this on highway vehicles don't reduce the crash and/or fatigue strength.

ks71z28 · 11-24-2010, 02:47:49 AM

That is why we sell the G-braces! Carbon fiber is 10x stronger than steel by weight, so if they are 1/2 the weight, then they are 5x as strong. Oh yeah they are a 20x more expensive. The strength of them will be fine. The biggest concern is from small rocks causing fischers or star cracks from underneath.

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Originally Posted by 78LT383

Have you done any actual testing on these inner fenders to verify that they are at least as strong as the stock inner fenders in the truss structure they were designed to create?

As you said, by weight, carbon fiber is stronger than steel, but only in tension- not in shear, and not even close in compression. The front fenders and inner fenders create a sort of boxed structure & truss with the front fenders, and so these inner fenders are a vital part of how the whole unibody chassis cradles the front subframe. Like the others, I'm concerned that you might be exposing yourself to a bit of liability and us to extra risk of fatigue fractures of the four subframe mounting points on the cab underbody. I have photographs that I took of floor/toe panel cracks from stresses caused by removed inner front fenders, and it appears that these might also eliminate some of the needed structure in the nose.

Carbon fiber can be a great material, but extensive structural endurance testing should be done to verify things like this on highway vehicles don't reduce the crash and/or fatigue strength.

Prototype4342 · 11-24-2010, 07:01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ks71z28

That is why we sell the G-braces! Carbon fiber is 10x stronger than steel by weight, so if they are 1/2 the weight, then they are 5x as strong. Oh yeah they are a 20x more expensive. The strength of them will be fine. The biggest concern is from small rocks causing fischers or star cracks from underneath.

Couldn't this be alleviated by "rhino lining" the wheel well portion? Or is it non-paintable?

ks71z28 · 11-24-2010, 12:56:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Prototype4342

Couldn't this be alleviated by "rhino lining" the wheel well portion? Or is it non-paintable?

You bet, but then you add 5 more pounds to the parts! I have a race car with fiberglass box fenders and they get murdered, hot sticky tires coming off the track. I glued a foam material underneath and it still happened

77nomad · 11-24-2010, 01:42:58 PM

I've followed this thread from the beginning. I figured the g bars would compensate for the weakness. How big of tire are we talking about fitting up front? Thats the reason I would buy them. Are the offered in fiberglass?

Prototype4342 · 11-24-2010, 02:40:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ks71z28

You bet, but then you add 5 more pounds to the parts! I have a race car with fiberglass box fenders and they get murdered, hot sticky tires coming off the track. I glued a foam material underneath and it still happened

the rhino lining isn't that heavy if you use it sparingly. granted it is slightly more weight, but i 'd say worth it to save the fenders you probably paid 500 dollars for.