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09-17-2008, 04:58:15 PM
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Need advice on what to do about steering box issues
Whoa! Swapped out my power steering box for a manual box out of S-10 and took it to the track. Car was all over the place during all 4 time runs, especially drifting to the left which I tried to correct, but the car was slow to respond. I also have to really turn the wheel a lot to go around corners, etc. I'm wondering if I should buy a better box? One with a better turning ratio? The car is racable, but a handful as is, and I plan on stepping it up to mid 10's soon, and would really like to go straight down the strip.
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SOLD <sigh> 1979 RS weighs 3580 lbs. with me in it. 406 w/ Victor Jr, Pro Systems 850 CFM carb, Pro Topline 220cc heads, solid roller cam with .630 lift, 264-270 duration @.050, Ross -5cc racing pistons, 12.5 to 1 compression, Forged crank and rods, splayed 4 bolt mains, 1.875" headers. Converter stalls at 3200, Trans Specialties turbo 350, 4.10 gears. Fastest to date is 10.67 @ 124.
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09-17-2008, 06:45:33 PM
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Well there is an adjustment bolt on the box that you can play with some to help w/ the play.
Its not going to be as good as the power steering though !
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09-17-2008, 10:26:10 PM
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I'd look to get the inners replaced with some newer, quicker ratio gears....and replace your rag joint if it looks 'worn'....
Don't put a price on your safety if you're going that fast....
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09-17-2008, 10:30:21 PM
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Typically manual boxes are lower ratio, so it will take more turns to steer with one. I don't know how many ratios there are available.
If the car does not want to go straight, expecially if it did before the change, then you have another problem. A manual box will not cause that, you may have something else misadjusted or bent.
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09-17-2008, 10:37:19 PM
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If the car does not want to go straight, expecially if it did before the change, then you have another problem. A manual box will not cause that, you may have something else misadjusted or bent.
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Car drifted around some before the swap, but was much easier to correct. I'm thinking it's time to maybe dump the traction bars and switch to cal-tracs. I 'm just surprised at the amount of turns on the steering wheel I have to do to negotiate corners and stuff.
Cal-tracs are a good idea?
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SOLD <sigh> 1979 RS weighs 3580 lbs. with me in it. 406 w/ Victor Jr, Pro Systems 850 CFM carb, Pro Topline 220cc heads, solid roller cam with .630 lift, 264-270 duration @.050, Ross -5cc racing pistons, 12.5 to 1 compression, Forged crank and rods, splayed 4 bolt mains, 1.875" headers. Converter stalls at 3200, Trans Specialties turbo 350, 4.10 gears. Fastest to date is 10.67 @ 124.
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09-17-2008, 10:38:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rscamaro73
I'd look to get the inners replaced with some newer, quicker ratio gears....and replace your rag joint if it looks 'worn'....
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Great idea! Question is - where would I find these gears? Thanks for your responses.
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SOLD <sigh> 1979 RS weighs 3580 lbs. with me in it. 406 w/ Victor Jr, Pro Systems 850 CFM carb, Pro Topline 220cc heads, solid roller cam with .630 lift, 264-270 duration @.050, Ross -5cc racing pistons, 12.5 to 1 compression, Forged crank and rods, splayed 4 bolt mains, 1.875" headers. Converter stalls at 3200, Trans Specialties turbo 350, 4.10 gears. Fastest to date is 10.67 @ 124.
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09-18-2008, 12:47:55 AM
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take the car for an alignment if its drifting, check tires and pressure.
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09-18-2008, 11:56:00 AM
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Cal tracs would be a great idea over regular traction bars.
Look at almost ALL the HIGH HP cars w/ leaf springs and thats what they have...perfect example is Brant aka MEAN SBC. Car runs in the mid 8's on cal tracs and drag radials.
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09-18-2008, 12:56:27 PM
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http://www.carsteering.com/addtocart.../82-00068.html
You can call these folks up and ask them their opinions of redoing a manual setup.
Why'd you take the PS off ? The weight savings ?
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09-18-2008, 01:34:58 PM
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Thanks for the link. Yeah, weight savings, plus a few extra horsepower, plus more room for my fat fingers to get to the #1 plug. I am also moving the battery to the trunk for even more weight savings/transfer on launch. Doing little things, a little at a time, with a plan to run mid 10's next season. Major motor changes this winter. Going to be fun!
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SOLD <sigh> 1979 RS weighs 3580 lbs. with me in it. 406 w/ Victor Jr, Pro Systems 850 CFM carb, Pro Topline 220cc heads, solid roller cam with .630 lift, 264-270 duration @.050, Ross -5cc racing pistons, 12.5 to 1 compression, Forged crank and rods, splayed 4 bolt mains, 1.875" headers. Converter stalls at 3200, Trans Specialties turbo 350, 4.10 gears. Fastest to date is 10.67 @ 124.
Last edited by OldCamaroNut : 09-18-2008 at 01:46:41 PM.
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09-18-2008, 04:28:31 PM
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I feel your pain. When I got my 77 (runs high 12's) it had a manual S10 box in it, and it was pretty squirrely. I ended up swapping back in the Camaro box for now. Harder to steer, but hopefully a lot better going straight.
FWIW, don't adjust the box. I tried that last time out and nearly ended up in the wall. If you get it too tight the wheel doesnt like to return to center.
Did you use the camaro pitman arm on your box? Mine was using the S10 arm, and it dropped the drag link down quite a bit on that side.
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09-18-2008, 04:52:07 PM
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It was a direct bolt in using the existing Camaro arm. Everything lined up perfectly.
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SOLD <sigh> 1979 RS weighs 3580 lbs. with me in it. 406 w/ Victor Jr, Pro Systems 850 CFM carb, Pro Topline 220cc heads, solid roller cam with .630 lift, 264-270 duration @.050, Ross -5cc racing pistons, 12.5 to 1 compression, Forged crank and rods, splayed 4 bolt mains, 1.875" headers. Converter stalls at 3200, Trans Specialties turbo 350, 4.10 gears. Fastest to date is 10.67 @ 124.
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09-20-2008, 12:49:27 AM
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Worked great for me.
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09-20-2008, 10:17:56 AM
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I looked for slop in the steering, and as soon as I turn the steering wheel either way even the slightest bit the pitman arm moves with it. No visible play at all. I'm starting to wonder if this is a case of the driver not used to manual steering.....?
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SOLD <sigh> 1979 RS weighs 3580 lbs. with me in it. 406 w/ Victor Jr, Pro Systems 850 CFM carb, Pro Topline 220cc heads, solid roller cam with .630 lift, 264-270 duration @.050, Ross -5cc racing pistons, 12.5 to 1 compression, Forged crank and rods, splayed 4 bolt mains, 1.875" headers. Converter stalls at 3200, Trans Specialties turbo 350, 4.10 gears. Fastest to date is 10.67 @ 124.
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09-20-2008, 02:21:49 PM
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I just swapped to a manual box myself. The feeling going from power to manual def takes sometime to get used to, especially when driving on the street. If all checks out, no worn parts etc. run it, you'll get used to it.
Good luck, Mike
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