Everyone is telling me to get Flowmasters for there freakin loud loud a$$ bad a$$ deal, and they good free flowing mufflers. But I saw these Violator mufflers and Im really intrested in having something diffrent than what everyone else has. Does anyone have any experience or KNOW anyone at all that has the violator mufflers from pypes? Also what do they sound like vs the flows?

I have the Pypes Violator on my '78 Type LT. I have the SGF70 CrossFlow system. Much better than the Flowmasters, no drone at cruise and the system sounds good.

I got rid of my "slowmasters" and got some magnaflows, I gained a couple of tenths at the track....

I had 3" 40 series gaymasters on my 76 with a healthy 383 stroker. They were so restrictive the first time i went down the track it blew the dipstick out and oill all over the place. It forced air up through my crankcase evacuation system. I took them off and put 4" dynomax bullet mufflers on and problem solved.

Here we go again...people ripping on the **entire** Flowmaster company because they bought the wrong series muffler for their purpose, or don't know enough about newer Flowmaster products. Thats not Flowmasters fault. Its surprising how many people buy the 40 Series muffler, take it to the strip, hate it, blame the company, buy another brand, and love the other brand. 99% of people who I have talked to, who don't like Flowmaster are buying the 40 Series and expect ultra high performance. Most people don't know that Flowmaster makes 2 high performance Race mufflers intended for all out racing at the strip: The 1 chamber series race muffler and the badder Outlaw Series bullet (hollow tube). These are what Flowmaster designed for dragstrip use. **They flow as good as any other muffler out there** and don't have the typical Flowmaster sound. But like I said, the average person thinks the 40 Series is Flowmasters top performer, so they buy it, run it at the strip, then insult the entire company if it didn't do what they wanted it to do. Flowmaster has race mufflers intended for the strip so unless they were used at the strip....you bought the wrong part. Thats like buying ZZ4 heads, hating their top end performance, and then saying *ALL* GM heads suck. You gotta buy the right part for the right purpose.

I have 2 video clips of the 1 chambers on the post: (Videos! 106 LSA cam and Flowmaster race mufflers). You may love 'em or hate 'em. but keep in mind, the Outlaw Series is even more aggressive/higher performance than these. Good luck with whatver you decide. Yes, the Pypes Violators seem nice.

theres always spintech

CherryBomb

Ive got dronemasters on my street car, they sounds good but they have the typical drone at 2500rpm while cruising. the magnaflows really do outflow the flowmasters, and they sounds good. I have no in person experience with the pypes system but doing a little research, they sounds great and flow real well.

From my experiance so far when Pypes makes a mistake it takes this entier board to jump down their throat to make them do the right thing. And even then it took two times before they got it right. And only after everyone gave them crap.

Have yet to ever hear a bad word about

http://www.torquetechexh.com/

that pypes thread your referring to was 1 incident, pypes made it right and everyone ended up happy. They are also a small company and not summit sized. I still think when I do my exhaust I will be using a pypes system.

Here we go again...people ripping on the **entire** Flowmaster company because they bought the wrong series muffler for their purpose, or don't know enough about newer Flowmaster products. Thats not Flowmasters fault. Its surprising how many people buy the 40 Series muffler, take it to the strip, hate it, blame the company, buy another brand, and love the other brand. 99% of people who I have talked to, who don't like Flowmaster are buying the 40 Series and expect ultra high performance. Most people don't know that Flowmaster makes 2 high performance Race mufflers intended for all out racing at the strip: The 1 chamber series race muffler and the badder Outlaw Series bullet (hollow tube). These are what Flowmaster designed for dragstrip use. **They flow as good as any other muffler out there** and don't have the typical Flowmaster sound. But like I said, the average person thinks the 40 Series is Flowmasters top performer, so they buy it, run it at the strip, then insult the entire company if it didn't do what they wanted it to do. Flowmaster has race mufflers intended for the strip so unless they were used at the strip....you bought the wrong part. Thats like buying ZZ4 heads, hating their top end performance, and then saying *ALL* GM heads suck. You gotta buy the right part for the right purpose.

I have 2 video clips of the 1 chambers on the post: (Videos! 106 LSA cam and Flowmaster race mufflers). You may love 'em or hate 'em. but keep in mind, the Outlaw Series is even more aggressive/higher performance than these. Good luck with whatver you decide. Yes, the Pypes Violators seem nice.



Look at it this way. My car is a street car and occasional track car. Why would I run an all out super loud race muffler all the time when my car see's very little race action? IMO for a performance muffler to be so restrictive to force a TON of air back into the engine through the evacuation system, thats just SAD. I had 3" true duals exiting right behind the doors. No bends no nothing. My Bullet mufflers are race mufflers and are very loud but not really any louder than the 40 series flowtards were. My friend just put the flowmaster bullet style on his V8 S-10 and took them off the same day they were so loud.

Oh and how about the flowmaster system for LS1 F-Body cars? They are more restrictive than stock exhaust and cars generaly LOOSE power on the dyno. Now thats really sad. This is from personal experiance from guys i know in my club.

Levi, from what I have seen over the years I don't think you will have any problem with either setup once installed. They will both be loud and sound as mean as your engine allows them to.

Find a company you like that has a nice mandrel bend full system with an X pipe setup that fits. Any of the well known mufflers will flow MORE than enough to meet your needs.

Oh and how about the flowmaster system for LS1 F-Body cars? They are more restrictive than stock exhaust and cars generaly LOOSE power on the dyno. Now thats really sad. This is from personal experiance from guys i know in my club.

I'm not talking about the LS1 system , or any other system. I'm talking about the Race series only. I didn't post because people said "don't buy Flowmasters, they're too loud." I posted because people said "don't buy Flowmasters because they don't flow", and making that kind of blanket statement about the whole company is just plain bad info. They have a few mufflers that flow as much as any out there. "Loud" is relative and an opinion. Some people's "loud" is others "perfect". So i can't argue that your buddy thought the Outlaws were too loud. But I can argue if someone said those don't flow. The reason we all visit this site is to learn and to help...so we need accurate info. If I see info thats just absolutley wrong, then I would be wrong for not trying to correct it. I'd put the performance of their Race Series up against any other muffler out there because they have almost zero restriction. And just because they say "Race" doesn't mean you can't use it on the street. Listen to mine on my video clips. I don't think they are too loud. But then again, my "loud" may be someone elses...obnoxious. This will probably be my last post about this because its starting to sound like I'm trying to sell mufflers, which wasn't even close to what I was trying to do .

Thanks for all the tips guys, and the contradictive arguements of gaymasters lol. What do you guys know about borla mufflers?

Oh by the way, the Violators are an excellent chioce too. I got so caught up in the "flow" topic that I didn't even give a suggestion. if I didn't have the Race mufflers, I'd get the Violators. According to their website, there is a car or two that sound pretty darn close to what I have now. Obviously the same muffler will sound totally different on a different car with a different power output. Their website shows that well too. I think the Borlas are $$$$$$

Borla are superb mufflers, how fat is your wallet?

i'm not a fan of the borla noise, but ive only heard them on LSx motors, they are way 2 mellow and smooth for my taste.

fat right now. Tell me more about borla.

Do some research, if you like what you see, and like the price, go for it. Selecting mufflers is really not a full time job deal here. Go to some car shows, see what folks are running, listen to them run and get whatever sounds the best to your ears. Your car is I think at 75 correct, and it's basically stock for all practical purposes. Installing any aftermarket muffler is going to sound better than stock.

Having a "too loud" of an exhaust on an otherwise stock smogger motor is kind of silly really. A street type muffler made by Magnaflow, Flowmaster, Hooker, all will sound better than stock and give it a decent tone.

Having a "too loud" of an exhaust on an otherwise stock smogger motor is kind of silly really.

Absolutely correct. You can check out that scenario over on the Pypes website. They have a stock 1978 Camaro with some Violators on it and it sounds like crap. Here: http://pysales.com/movies/78camaro-out-pypes-violator.MPG

Here is Violators compared to Flowmaster 1 chamber Race mufflers.

Violator: http://pysales.com/movies/71chevelle-out-pypes-violator.mp3

Flowmaster: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v243/shawntmartin/?action=view&current=Martin009.flv

Sound kind of similar on my speakers.

From my experiance so far when Pypes makes a mistake it takes this entier board to jump down their throat to make them do the right thing. And even then it took two times before they got it right. And only after everyone gave them crap.

Have yet to ever hear a bad word about

http://www.torquetechexh.com/

Dude, you could give it to me for free and I wouldn't touch your business with a 10 foot pole based on your previous posts in that situation.

Here is my Magnaflow system, and a few vids with sound.......
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/jeffzilla_photo/PICT1627.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/jeffzilla_photo/th_MOV008_NEW.jpg (http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/jeffzilla_photo/?action=view&current=MOV008_NEW.flv)
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http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/jeffzilla_photo/th_Firebirdburnout1_NEW.jpg (http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/jeffzilla_photo/?action=view&current=Firebirdburnout1_NEW.flv)

The Borla kit with the removable baffle on the one side (talking 4th gen fbods here) sounded REALLY nice on my bud's 94 Formula. It was a small step above stock with a LT4 hot cam package, cleaned up heads, and 1/2 pt more compression.

The Dynomax UltraFlo's sounded GREAT to me. I just don't like the 'tinny' sound of Flowmasters anymore. And I have both here. I think they sound superb on a Muskrat though....

There's so many mufflers out there....just grab something 'not over the top'.....even Flowmaster kits for 3rd gen 305's sounded really tuff....

I just don't like the 'tinny' sound of Flowmasters anymore....even Flowmaster kits for 3rd gen 305's sounded really tuff....

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I've heard alot of people here give a thumbs up to the Pypes products. Most seem happy with their purchase.

I also have to say that I have 3" to the rear bumper with Flows and a balance tube done by a reputable exhaust shop. They are well matched to the motor. The drone is brutal, yes, but I really do not care. I have been told, by my musclecar buddies that the motor sounds better than any small block they've ever heard when it is hitting 6000+RPM.

I also agree mufflers are very application specific. Why have 3" exhaust if it does nothing up top and loses tons of torque? Why have a 3" exhaust with a restrictive muffler?

All major brands are flow tested. That is the business they are in and the field on which they compete.

Find your sound and match it to your combo. Then you will be most happy. (Sounded like a Chinese proverb, didn't it?):crazy:

I installed 1-3/4 headers and 3" with no X and those new 3" flowmaster super 44 mufflers with 3" tails and it sounds bad ars. Sounds allot different than my 2.5 40 series did. I love them so far have not driven the car yet just got motor running two nights ago.

I also have to say that I have 3" to the rear bumper with Flows. The drone is brutal, yes, but I really do not care. I have been told, by my musclecar buddies that the motor sounds better than any small block they've ever heard when it is hitting 6000+RPM.



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Southern72,

Any chance of a sound clip. i'm not at all familiar with that series.

Muffler sounds are completely subjective. I've heard that Borla exhaust kit on a 4th gen Trans Am and it sounded like absolute crap in my opinion.

I second what ShawnMartin posted about the Flowmasters -- if you get the RIGHT muffler for the job they work great and sound great. I have dual 3" 2-chamber Flowmasters and my car has ran as quick as a 10.77 @ 128 through this exhaust by the previous owner, 355" on the bottle. I don't think they are restrictive in the least for most performance street/strip applications -- IF you buy the right muffler for your application.

I guess I will go with flowmasters from my headers. Thanks guys :)

Whenever I hear a car that sounds good to me, I ask what its got. Never been flowmasters, ever.

Whenever I hear a car that sounds good to me, I ask what its got. Never been flowmasters, ever.
"Sound" is subjective. I could probably say the same thing for about 95% of all muffler companys out there. Some people like mild tones, some like a performance rumble, and some like all-out wicked, pissed off tones. Your "good" may be my "boring". My "good" may be someone elses "obnoxious". Who knows. Sound is subjective. Flow is not.

I like my sound, and like Southern72's sound clips he just posted. Both Flowmasters. To each his own though.