hey guys...i was wondering what the number for the FRAM Tough Guard to replace my ACdelco PH35.....:bowtie:

ph13 and ph5 will work, but one is smaller then the other i think.

that is regular fram filters, so it should use that number in the tough guard numbers.

PH13 & PH5 are the same size. The only difference is the PH5 has an anti-drainback valve. PH30 is the smaller one.

Before I spent any money on a Fram, I'd look for a Wix or Purolator Pure One. You can buy cheaper alternatives to these by purchasing Napa Gold (Wix) or a Motorcraft (Purolator). Pretty much the same quality with a cheaper price.

thanks guys...

Most people (myself included) will tell you to stay FAR away from Fram oil filters. They just aren't the quality they used to be.

WIX (for one) is a good name.

Time for more popcorn... :) Agree with GetMore.

Last week an AC Delco filter was sitting on the parts counter. I picked it up and looked inside. Looked to be a black plastic center tube in there.

different experiences from people, but i have been having good result from fram filters.

that is what i run on most of my vehicles, currently i am running a acdelco, but the gasket on it is messed up causing it to leak, so i will be replacing it with a fram soon.

Most people (myself included) will tell you to stay FAR away from Fram oil filters. They just aren't the quality they used to be.

WIX (for one) is a good name.

Were they ever quality filters?

different experiences from people, but i have been having good result from fram filters.

that is what i run on most of my vehicles, currently i am running a acdelco, but the gasket on it is messed up causing it to leak, so i will be replacing it with a fram soon.

My last Delco leaked too! They don't make Delcos like they used to either.

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Fram is junk. Check out that bob is the oil guy site. Frams quality has gone way down hill recently. Wix, purolator, K&N are the only filters I will run. The fram racing filter is unchanged so far and is still a quality filter.

i know about the bob guy, but i still base my oil filter selection on experience.

So far i only seen one problem with a fram and that was due to the pinching on the bottom created a small needle hole, in the process allowing it to leak. changed filter and never had a problem again.

this is on high oil pressure engines too, common numbers are 60 psi when we are racing the trucks.

Don't get me wrong i like wix too, i used them on my diesel engines as they was easier to get then the fram for the diesel engine.

Also i use a type of filter call Baldwin Filter, might be a local type filter, but they do good jobs of filtering the oil too.

matter of fact i might just get me a case of baldwin filters since i can get them for free! lol

for Baldwin filter numbers, B6 will replace the ph13 fram

B1428 will replace the ph5 fram

and B27 will replace the ph30 fram.

Baldwin B-7 is the equivalent of the Fram PH373, both 2 quart filters. I believe that Baldwin makes Amsoil filters as well.

There are quite a few negative reports about Fram on the net. I have never personally had a problem, but with all the bad publicity, I am not willing to take the chance any more. Good luck with your choice.

I don't care how much "luck" I've had. I will never use a filter that contains cardboard and glue. Where other filters use metal, Fram uses cardboard and glue.:rolleyes: Makes more sense to buy a filter with a better reputation when the price is the same. But, good luck with whatever you decide.
Putting a small amount of oil on the rubber seal...I've never had a ACDelco leak. But thats not say it wouldn't happen. Napa has good stuff.

I use either Wix or Napa Gold....is it really worth a few bucks savings on something as important as an oil filter? After everything I have read about Fram, I'd rather pay $2 more for something else and know I'm getting a good filter.

Baldwin B-7 is the equivalent of the Fram PH373, both 2 quart filters. I believe that Baldwin makes Amsoil filters as well.

There are quite a few negative reports about Fram on the net. I have never personally had a problem, but with all the bad publicity, I am not willing to take the chance any more. Good luck with your choice.


The problem with running theB7 is header clearance i believe.

I don't care how much "luck" I've had. I will never use a filter that contains cardboard and glue. Where other filters use metal, Fram uses cardboard and glue.:rolleyes: Hope your luck doesn't run out. Putting a small amount of oil on the rubber seal...I've never had a ACDelco leak. But thats not say it wouldn't happen. Napa has good stuff.


for my acdelco leaking i am chalking it up as a old filter, the gasket might have went bad on it due to long shelf life. Yes i put oil on the gasket, but there is still a slight leaking going on.

as for a filter deteriating, that can happen to any filter on the market, BUT the probability is higher due to frams construction.

The ideal filter would be one that has a metal cage around the paper element, therefore if it came apart the paper won't travel far, only the real small peices will pass and hopefully not block a oil gallery. Hence afew style of drop in filter are the way to go. but who wants to deal with the mess of doing a drop in style filter??

manufactor: Clarcor

Filter names:
Baldwin
Hastings
Amsoil
Casite

The problem with running theB7 is header clearance i believe.

I have Amsoil/Baldwin filters on my Camaro and the Truck. Camaro has a 355 with Hooker Comps and the truck has a 383 with Hedman Elites. No problems getting the filters in or being too close to the header and causing heating issues.

manufactor: Clarcor

Filter names:
Baldwin
Hastings
Amsoil
Casite
Where'd you find that info?

the site ya'll all referring to me, bob the oil guy, and yes i have read that site before. now they got a forum also.

The problem with running theB7 is header clearance i believe.

I have Amsoil/Baldwin filters on my Camaro and the Truck. Camaro has a 355 with Hooker Comps and the truck has a 383 with Hedman Elites. No problems getting the filters in or being too close to the header and causing heating issues.


good to know!

A couple of years ago Bob, of Bobistheoilguy, did a quite long term test on his personal beater car. He did oil analysis checks after every oil change tracking wear. What was interesting he did it comparing wear while running an oil fliter and not running an oil filter. Nothing unusual showed up when he didn't run an oil filter after quite a few oil changes.

Don't know where the thread is anymore, somewhere burried in the site.

I myself have never had issues with Fram filters on my daily drivers, some of which finally died from body rot at 350,000 miles, may that 86 Accord rest in piece.

On the Camaro I will use either NAPA gold or Delco PF35L filters.

I read all the bob the oil guy stuff a year or two ago. Fram filters have a very good track record. That is why Fram refuses to change them. They're cheap and they work. The thing is they aren't all that much cheaper. For just a little more, or in some cases less (Walmart filter, can't remember name) you can get a better constructed one. Peace of mind is all you are buying. Peace of mind is good though.

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I read all the bob the oil guy stuff a year or two ago. Fram filters have a very good track record. That is why Fram refuses to change them. They're cheap and they work. The thing is they aren't all that much cheaper. For just a little more, or in some cases less (Walmart filter, can't remember name) you can get a better constructed one. Peace of mind is all you are buying. Peace of mind is good though.

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use to be Supertech filter, but they might have change since i last looked.

use fram on all three of my cars never had a problem or leaks...and kept the oil clean as can be.........

I've racked up over 250,000 miles in my lifetime, and have used Fram filters at least 90% of the time with not one failure, or problem. Regular maintenance is the key factor.

I've racked up over 250,000 miles in my lifetime

Youngster... :)

i racked up more then that, and i am only 24.

shot my Ranger got 60,000 miles on her already just driving back and forth to school in 4 yrs, and then include the hours of driving i did during the summer hauling parts from yards to rigs, some weeks doing 80 hrs a week on the road. Talk about BIG Paychecks those days! lol

I have been using fram for years. No problems.:bowtie:

use to be Supertech filter, but they might have change since i last looked.

Yeah, that's the one. Have em on all my vehicles currently. I got tired of trying to decide between Napa Gold, Napa Nascar, Wix, etc, etc. Which company currently makes what filter. Confusing.

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So, I just went with the cheapos that are better constructed than a Fram. I have used Frams, but once I seen how shoddily they are constructed, why would I put such a POS on my valued vehicles? Too save a dollar? I don't think so.

Those of you using Frams probably haven't seen the pics of the sloppy work Fram does on them. Compared to almost any other filter they look awfully bad. I just don't see any reason to use them other than convenience. The damned things are sold EVERYWHERE.

i take my filter apart after just about every oil change, i know what they look like.

But when you can get Free Baldwin Filters, it sure do sway you to change the style of filter you use! lol