does anybody know if there making the 2007 camaro 0r not

Yawwwwwn.

I heard from someone that works for GM that a rumor the 2007 Camaro will look like a new-style from the 1967-69 cars,Like the new mustang is right now.

GM will mess it up just like all of there other cool cars ie..
Impala
GTO
Nova
Malibu
and on top of that they will over charge for it as well. I still can not believe people are paying over 30K for that Cavelier on steriods looking GTO. I am sorry to admit it but Ford might have wiped out the Camaro with that new body style.

There is a one word answer: NO.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by owen1980:
GM will mess it up just like all of there other cool cars ie..
Impala
GTO
Nova
Malibu
and on top of that they will over charge for it as well. I still can not believe people are paying over 30K for that Cavelier on steriods looking GTO. I am sorry to admit it but Ford might have wiped out the Camaro with that new body style.</font>

They did somehow manage to do a better "retro" with the SSR, gotta give them credit for that one.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by rich m:
They did somehow manage to do a better "retro" with the SSR, gotta give them credit for that one.

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$45K (or more) for a 5000 lb beast of a 2 seater that you can't use to haul anything!

It doesn't provide the utility of a truck or a car. I think the term "retro" should allow for the vehicle to be used as it was designed. This was something of a selling feature back in the day.

Rich - the only problem is the SSR isn't selling. GM starts slowing down production of a particular model if they approach 60 days worth of inventory - I was reading somewhere that they had already accumulated over 300 days of inventory on the SSR and production had either slowed down considerably or was halted. It does look retro, but it's apparently not what anyone wants to buy. The GTO has not been selling very well since it's inception either. GM High Tech magazine had a small blurb that Pontiac was sending '05 GTO hoods to the dealers with '04 GTO's for retrofit to try to move that stock. But with the '05 GTO getting the 400 HP LS2, anyone considering a Goat would probably pass on the '04 model. That whole situation is a big mess.

I've been a GM man most of my life but if I were to buy a new car today I would have to seriously look at Ford and Chrysler's offerings. I don't know what's going on at GM these days but if they don't get it sorted out and fast Oldsmobile might have some company in that big car lot in the sky.

I haven't heard anything about an '07 Camaro.

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11.73 @ 115.10 on drag radials
Old Vortec combo:
12.15 @ 110.52

At the banquet at Camaro Superfest GM Camaro Brand Manager Scott Setallemier (sp) told us we WOULD NOT want to miss the 2006 Detroit Auto Show! But did not elaborate except to say it would not be a 2007 model, maybe 08'.

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<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Gary S:
Yawwwwwn.</font>

My sentiments exactly, wake me up when they produce one.

ya i wanted to get the bills paid and save for the new camaro as i never had a new car and that camaro sounded soo good,then someone came in the shop and said they werent going to make it,so its up in the air,a older zo6 would be nice too there coming down in price

we all wish but naaa

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Twisted_Metal:
$45K (or more) for a 5000 lb beast of a 2 seater that you can't use to haul anything!

It doesn't provide the utility of a truck or a car. I think the term "retro" should allow for the vehicle to be used as it was designed. This was something of a selling feature back in the day.
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I used "retro" in the sense of styling, not function, though I have to agree that that's a lot of cabbage for something that isn't as fast as other vehicles, and can't haul much more than a grocery bag.

Dirt, thanks for the back story about the 300 day inventory and the '05 Goats. I was never a big fan of that car, don't care what kind of hood they put on it. In fact, I've always liked any performance car regardless of who made it, but ever since they stopped putting Pontiac motors in their performance cars (1979 T/A 6.6), I haven't been a big Pontiac lover.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dirt Reynolds:
I don't know what's going on at GM these days but if they don't get it sorted out and fast Oldsmobile might have some company in that big car lot in the sky.</font>


They do - Plymouth http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/frown.gif Man, I wish they woulda done a retro Scamp http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/wink.gif

On the SSR I give it an A for Almost got one right. Like mentioned it is a driving tank. I would not pay $15K for it. I have liked anything Chevrolet has produced since 02. Good thing there are pleny of good years in the past to still redeam GM of their recent crap.

Would be nice................

Not really a Mustang fan, but Ford "Got er' Done" with that retro-Mustang I see everywhere.....Looks real nice.

I'd love to see GM do that w/ the Camaro, but I'll hold my breathe. Or I'll want in one hand and see which fills up first....

if it does ever happen, i'll definitely buy one

i dont know what GM plans to do but they really need to come out with something exciting. In recent years all the really cool stuff has come from ford or dodge.
They need to make something that looks mean and kicks butt. I also can't believe they changed the look of the vette so much. You can hardly tell that they're vettes anymore. They are nice looking cars but they dont really say corvette to me. they look more like a dodge viper. Its a shame.

Maybe GM can contract with Ford to do the new camaro right LOL

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GM scrubbed the project after spending millions in it. Ford got them again with the Stang as they did in 1964.
WAKE THE _ UP GM!!!

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1970 Z28
http://http://ca.geocities.com/mlvd@rogers.com/ (http://ca.geocities.com/mlvd@rogers.com/)
WTB: 70 SS396 Chevelle 4-spd, flapper hood car, no rag tops, 1-2 owner car.

Ford shouldn't have gotten them by surprise this time, that car was well written about loooong before it hit the streets.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0409phr_camaro/

Here's the dirt on the 2007 Camaro. Seems like there will be no firebird and production depends on what happens in Quebec.

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1972 Camaro Coupe
1996 Camaro Z28SS #18

I've heard conflicting stories about the Camaro termination-one popular version says that GM simply wasn't selling enough of them because young kids and first-time buyers could get about the same level of performace easier and cheaper in the new Mustangs. Ford was more willing to play on the new generations lack of foresight and finance them (at outrageous long-term cost), and GM thought that crowd too risky to invest in. The second theory has to do with total pollution quotient, or something like that. An ASE mechanic I know went to some school taught by GM factory represntatives and the students asked the question. Thier answer had something to do with the amount of pollution that the Camaros and Vettes put out had to be offset by the sale of thier smaller cars, like the Cavalier and Malibu. Something like for each Camaro, GM had to sell 20 Cavaliers to even things out. He quoted some EPA regs and other stuff. I didn't quite understand this guy (which is quite common). So which do you beleive? Maybe someone can elaborate on the second story, to clarify what he meant.

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I didn't bust these knuckles to let it sit on a trailer...
'79, 4-stud 350, 9.5-1, TH-350, 3.08 locker, 4-wheel discs, Cragar SS, dirt-track inspired suspension

These were posted on a diecast hobby board. They're not official GM/Chevrolet pieces, but done as a styling exercise on photoshop, I believe. But it's an excellent idea on what "could be", don't you agree?

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=117785

That theory has to do with fuel mileage, not pollution. All cars must meet the same EPA emissions standards, whether they're a huge V8, Viper R/T V10, or a little Geo Metro.

However, the government penalizes companies for producing "gas guzzlers".

That mechanic may want to stay awake for the next class! (LOL).

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I don't think that EPA emissions, or fuel mileage killed the 4th gen Camaro's. I have a 99SS 6sp and live in California. The
car is a 49 state car (originally sold in Oregon), but still meets CA emissions. As for fuel mileage, on trips between the
San Francisco area down to LA it gets 25+ at 75 in 6th gear. The majority of the 4gen cars were not V8's, in fact only in
2002 were there more V8's that V6's

I think the real problem was with the plant in Canada, it was old and they wanted to close it.

As I recall, the problem boiled down to poor sales by GM standards, and nothing more. True, the Montreal plant was aging, but so are several other GM plants in the US that are still going. GM did the same thing when it shut down production of the Caprice, thus handing Ford the police car market on a silver platter. That alone is something like 70,000 units a year. GM built the Caprice at Willow Run, MI and Arlinton, TX. The Arlington plant was converted over for building trucks and SUV's, which makes GM more $$. Yet its funny how Ford sells every Crown Victoria it can bolt together at it's St. Thomas, Ontario plant. Once again, another fine example of the braintrust at GM handing over a market to Ford, as it did with the Camaro/Firebird, giving Ford Mustang the only affordable rwd performance car built in America.

GM was unrealistic about the volume of sales the F-bodies could generate in this day and age. Back in 1979, it was possible to sell 200,000 - 300,000 Camaros a year, but not today. There is not the sheer numbers of youth today as there were then with us 'boomers', and let's face it, back in those days it *was* possible to own a new Camaro bagging groceries after school or other part time work. I know guys that did it back in the day. But today, well, how many kids could have afforded a new 2002 Z28 bagging groceries at Safeway? Not many I'd wager. And its the youth who drove that particular segment of the marketplace. At least Ford was smart enough and realistic enough to make a profit from smaller volumes of car sales that are the norm today vs the old 1950's GM mentality in terms of thinking of 100,000 units per model sales. Unless its a truck, those numbers are unrealistic in todays marketplace.

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11.73 @ 115.10 on drag radials
Old Vortec combo:
12.15 @ 110.52

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by pantera72:
Maybe GM can contract with Ford to do the new camaro right LOL

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Thats just sacriledge!

You have to wonder what these guys at GM are thinking...they continually miss the obvious because they need to play it safe....It's like the motion picture and television industry, no risk taking....too much money at stake....and why do all these new cars need to be so aerodynamic?....they can still get good milage without the jellybean effect....they don't realize the potential of the retro market (the Mini Cooper, Ford T-Bird)....if Chevy produced an exact replica of a '57 Chevy body on a modern chassis it would sell like hotcakes....same goes for the Camaro....they should make a close to exact replica of a '70 Z28 and blow away the Mustang GT....of course these are just pipe dreams....the real truth is that GM cannot compete with the domination of Japan and Germany and unless this country starts buying American the GM dynasty will slowly fade away....just my 2 cents

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I think the '07 Camaro will come out, but I think they will seriously F*ck it up, like what Dodge did to the Charger (ROFL! FOUR DOORS?! ARE YOU SERIOUS!! WHAT A BUNCH OF DUMBA$$ES!!)

I love the charger! wwaaaahhh! Why dodge! WHY DID YOU GIVE A CHARGER FOUR DOOR?!

but other than that.. I also heard that Chevy plans to bring back the el camino (only way to screw an el camino up is if they make it a full truck)

To be honest I would rather they NOT do it if they are not going to do it right!

The PHR article was talking about a 5.3 litre V-8 but I fail to see how that joke of a GTO keeps the vette engine and we get a 5.3

At some point the shareholders have to realize that some of the people at the top of GM really need to be given the same treatment as the plant at Ste. Therese; Let go!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlueCamaro:
like what Dodge did to the Charger (ROFL! FOUR DOORS?! ARE YOU SERIOUS!!

And they even threw in a grill off one of the trucks!

Here is what I was told and heard this around the way a few times when I was working in a GM dealership. The real reason for the demise of the F body platform is that; ok there are a few actually previously mentioned where the price, sales, the plant in Canada was only contracted for use up to 2002. I heard they were going to ditch the F car in 2000 but they went ahead and honored the plant contract. The big reason was safety standards. The F car was supposed to have side curtain airbags and that meant a complete re-design which GM was not wanting to put any money into doing this. The only cars exempt would have been convertables but GM did not want to just have that.

My take is that GM has been lacking "product identity" and excitement for quite some time. With the last camaro could you really tell a 35K z/28 or SS from a mundane V6 car from anything but standing right next to it? In the good ol' days, you could tell an SS from a RS from a plain jane Camaro at a distance. You just couldn't tell the newer camaros appart. If I'm gonna drop an extra 15 grand on a vehicle, I want to stand out. An whats with having the same fricken body style for what, 15 years?!! OMG I just got sick and tired of looking at the third gens and the fourth gens were getting old looking too (we got those in 93?). If they do it, they need to have some car guys help them design. I'm not talking about engineers, who thought the Cross Fire was a good idea, I'm not talking about bean counters, who are only concerned about the bottom line, I'm not talking about artists, who thought the AZTEC was cool, I'm talking about CAR PEOPLE. Wouldn't it be sweet to see a retro 'maro with a 69 tude? Then add an RS model with hidden lights, SWEET. How bout an SS with an optional HUGE ASS motor without all the girly puff BS like leather. Make the Z-28 a real track scorcher like the original was meant to be. Then on top of it all, allow blending of the three. I'll take a SS/RS/Z28 in arrest me red with hockey sticks, if you please. The last camaros had no heart, no soul, no style. You couldn't tell them appart and you cant expect to have the same high level of popularity after the same fricken body style has been inflicted upon us for ten years or more. GM has the capability to make world beating stuff. The new corvettes prove it. The new LS 2 proves it. Ya know why they cant sell SSRs? It's because they are overpriced by about 20 grand. You know why they can't sell GTOs? Cause you have to look really really hard to tell them appart from a Grand AM/Grand Prix/G6. Chrysler is selling every 300 they can throw together. Ford is doing the same with the Mustang. Why do you suppose that is? GM's stuff has always out performed the competition, so why is it having such a hard time selling? If gas prices continue to climb through the roof, GM and it's sole reliance on SUVs is going to be seriously challenged. Other than a vette, which I cant afford, GM really isn't producing anything I want to own. Thats really the bottom line. GM has lost it's heart and sold out to the SUV god. With out some dedicated CAR NUTS to guide it back, GM will continue to be a company that makes really neat trucks, but nothing else terribly inspiring. WHEW, I've been needing to get that off my chest. It has bugged me for a while that a company like GM, who has all the cabability in the world, continues to turn out mediocre, boring, junk.

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No comments?

This from the August issue of Motor Trend:
General Motors's plans for a rear-drive Buick Velite sedan, convertible, or anything else are officially dead. The murder also affects any rear-drive Chevy coupe, Camaro, Chevelle, or otherwise. While development of a new Zeta platform was scaled back months ago, the decision to pull the plug on these new cars is much more recent. The only sub-Cadillac/Corvette rear-drive program going forth (beside Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky) is the next-gen GTO, expected for the 2008 model year."

GM must expect the GTO to compete with the Mustang because the drawings of the 2008 GTO in Motor Trend are, as Motor Trend puts it, a "carbon copy" of the Mustang.

I have a comment. I have owned several muscle cars: 65 Mustang 2+2, 67 GTO, 69 Javelin SST, 71 camaro sport coupe, 72 camaro SS (current), 80 Camaro berlinetta. The 3rg gen camaros had no heart, 4th gen finally got some guts back but way over priced and not reliable. 2005 GTO=yawn. I bought my wife a 2005 mustang. Just a V6 but runs like a scalded dog. I would hate to put my 72 SS in stock trim against it. We all know what the outcome would be. GM needs a paradigm shift. I cannot think of a vehicle in any class that I would choose a GM vehicle. They are mostly rattly pieces of crap. My wifes 2005 mustang was in the low 20 thousands. The new 5th gen camaro will prob be in the 40's and be just like the new GTO...yawn.

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1972 SS 350

BlueCamaro, I share the same opinion on the charger. Wait, no it's the 3rd version of the same car, station wagon - magnum, sedan - 300c and now a hard top - charger. Eh, more or less.
I work at a dodge dealer as a mechanic for the last 4 years, worked 15 years at gm dealers. New cars don't do anything for me, I just yawn at them all. But I do have to give ford 2 thumbs up on the 05 mustang, looks nice.
If gm were to bring back the camaro, it would not surprise me if they did it as a 4 door hatch back. Oh you wanted it to look sharp and go fast? Then you'll have to settle on it being a full sized truck.

GM must have some brainless weenie designers currently on board and need someone like Chip Foose to design the new Camaro with the '69 tough look!!!!!

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Mark D
1970 Z28
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WTB: 70 SS396 Chevelle 4-spd, flapper hood car, no rag tops, 1-2 owner car.

"We probably wouldn’t make that mistake again."

Bets??? lol

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Tommy

Cats...the reason God created water.

75 Camaro
78 Camaro
80 Camaro
81 Trans-Am
87 Iroc-Z28

Still if there would be another Camaro I could not afford it new, nor would I ever buy a new car. I remember seeing some of the first pics of the GTO when I was working at a Pontiac dealership and my first thoughts were wow look at that new cavelier. Not wow look at that retro 60's bad ass street machine. I test drove one they are fast but ugly. Same would come true with a new Camaro fast but ugly and over 30K. I could have bought a 99 SS 6 speed with 50K on it for $10,000 a few months ago but a baby on the way, getting laid off in Sept. deturred it.