as some of you may recall, i aquired an '82 Chevette awhile back, and decided to swap in a SBC. I know this sounds stupid, but i want this car to sound absolutely insane, but this is a dead on low budget build, so im wondering how i can get a real good choppy idle and some good upper rpm power(4500+) out of a stock shortblock motor, using some kind of small chamber stock head, milled, ported, and running roller rockers.
...this has to be the stupidest question i have ever asked http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/frown.gif
thanks for any help
later
Dan

I'll agree with you one one thing...

if you mean the stupid part, i know! i think what im gonna end up with is a solid lifter 283, along with a 10" converter(running a glide) should be interesting.
jeez this is stupid
later
Dan

Go into the crane cat. and buy the offroad Z cam. Part #968821, Mechanical, Duration at .050 is 257I/269E. Lobe sep. is 112, Gross Lift is .493I/.512E.

A friend of mine ran one of these in his truck, and that thing sounded so nice.

I know an easy way to get that lopey idle you want, just unplugging one spark plug wire should do the trick. http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/smile.gif

The thing with stock engines is that you can make one sound insane pretty easily without really spending any money. Just having some flowmaters with turn downs near the rear axle will usually get the job done in the loud department. Sticking in a larger cam will get the idle lopey and your all set for about 300-400 bucks. Will it be fast? Probably not but you do have a "vette" so even a 150 hp engine is almost doubling the stock engine output, so it will (hopefully) atleast be faster then before.

For the life of me I cannot understand why someone would only want an engine to SOUND like it runs good and don't really care about the power output.

This is total RICE to me; akin to one of those turbo blow off valve sound machine things. It SOUNDS like you have a turbo, but you don't.

Why not just build an engine that will make some good power and not worry what it sounds like if you're tearing the doors off everything that you come up against?

Ricers use the intimidation factor. You shoulnd't.

12.5:1 compression with a 292H comp cam sounds decent http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/smile.gif

thanks for the serious input guys, im definately looking at some higher compression pistons to go along with the headwork, found a set of KB105? slugs(whatever the .125 dome 350 pistons are) along with a set of double hump 1.94s yesterday, so im leaning towards that, since i do have a spare 350 block.
im kinda bummed though that i got called rice, this whole project is all in good fun, and you have to admit that it would be funny as all hell, but since that was said its kinda got to me and the project isnt out to be funny, i figure an 11:1 or so 350 with a good solid lifter cam and a well worked set of iron heads should be pretty radical in a car that can feasibly be made to weigh 2000 lbs with fuel and driver!
later
Dan

Go to the "CLAIMER" suppliers they sell everything cheap. Never done it but I hear the parts are priced "china-like"

i always wondered, what does "claimer" mean?
thanks
Dan

I had a tear in the thin paper gasket in the front of my 4010 in my Blazer. With that big of a vacuum leak it stumbled alot at idle but it sounded cool. I almost didn't want to fix it. http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I'm pretty sure claimer engines are just a high RPM oval track engine. Although I've been wrong before . . . http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/tongue.gif

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by rustyole79:
as some of you may recall, i aquired an '82 Chevette awhile back, and decided to swap in a SBC. I know this sounds stupid, but i want this car to sound absolutely insane, but this is a dead on low budget build, so im wondering how i can get a real good choppy idle and some good upper rpm power(4500+) out of a stock shortblock motor, using some kind of small chamber stock head, milled, ported, and running roller rockers.
...this has to be the stupidest question i have ever asked http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/frown.gif
thanks for any help
later
Dan</font>

.700"...that'll do it

I think "claimer" refers to rules where competitors can "claim" the winner's engine and pay a set (by the rulebook) value for it.
So, the rules may say that the engine value is $2500. To win you can spend as much money on the engine as you like, but the runner-up can decide to "claim" your engine, give you $2500 and walk off with it. It is a way to help level the playing field between the big-bucks guys and the po' boys. http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/wink.gif
Therefore the parts in claimer engines are inexpensive, but decent.

Of course all of what I said above may be wrong. I do know the idea is used in some races.

Joe had it right with the sparkplug wire deal!!

A hopped up 283 with a stock -346 or 30-30 solid cam will sound really mean AND if you can get her up to at least 10 to 1 CR., should run like a "scalded-dog"!! Even with a 'Glide once it is "up on the pipe" as the two-stroke guys like to say!

With no more then a good bowl blend and dingle-berry casting flash port head clean up and Z- springs, she should run above 7,500 rpm EASY!!!

Install a set of small tube, four tube, long headers and a good old Holley 300-36 high-rise intake with a 600 cfm, 1850 carb. AND go have more fun then the Law will allow!!

Just like in the old-school days!!

BUT if it was mine, I would go with the stock, -097, Little Duntov solid cam b/c it runs SWEET in the little motors but won't cackle like the Big Duntov, 30-30 cam will!! AND it will still run above 7,000 rpm EASY too!!

pdq67

I read about Hot Rod having a drag race series with those rules. Sounds fun. http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GetMore:
I think "claimer" refers to rules where competitors can "claim" the winner's engine and pay a set (by the rulebook) value for it.
So, the rules may say that the engine value is $2500. To win you can spend as much money on the engine as you like, but the runner-up can decide to "claim" your engine, give you $2500 and walk off with it. It is a way to help level the playing field between the big-bucks guys and the po' boys. http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/wink.gif
Therefore the parts in claimer engines are inexpensive, but decent.

Of course all of what I said above may be wrong. I do know the idea is used in some races.</font>

How about a set of headers and 36 inch straigh head pipes. You wont be able to hear yourself think and it will sound like a nascar track on test day when you open that sucker up.

What your wanting comes from cam, and compression. Get compression up above 10:1 and cam above 250° @ 0.050" and any small block (under 400 inches) will growl like a big dawg

I threw together a "junk parts" small journal 327 once with used 11:1 pop up pistons, and a stupid huge Melling 254@50 solid cam with barely over .500" lift that I found used somewhere. I think the only new parts were rings, bearings, and the rod and main bolts.

I also stuck on a el cheapo set of ported 416 305 heads with used 194/1.50 valves. Had to gind the heads a little to clear the pistons, and it wouldn't run on anything less than sunoco blue - but it was the rudest sounding motor I have ever heard through a set of 1 5/8" headers and 2.5" purple hornies glasspacks. At 7500rpm it was positively screaming!

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RacerRick:
I threw together a "junk parts" small journal 327 once with used 11:1 pop up pistons, and a stupid huge Melling 254@50 solid cam with barely over .500" lift that I found used somewhere. I think the only new parts were rings, bearings, and the rod and main bolts.

I also stuck on a el cheapo set of ported 416 305 heads with used 194/1.50 valves. Had to gind the heads a little to clear the pistons, and it wouldn't run on anything less than sunoco blue - but it was the rudest sounding motor I have ever heard through a set of 1 5/8" headers and 2.5" purple hornies glasspacks. At 7500rpm it was positively screaming!</font>

see now thats what im talkin about!!!
later
Dan

Just get the

Two 1250 Demons on top of a tunnel Ram
1200cc/2cc 4.02/3.50 Heads
Strip of duct tape for a head gasket
Bore it .200" over
40cc Domed Pistons
Super Comp 1.75" lift 720 Deg Duration cam
3 5/8 Headers
8" Exhaust
14-71 Blower and you'll be set.
And you'll be set.

RR,That junk 327 combination sounds like my junk 301 motor and for junk, it ran dandy, imho!!

But I figure I was at 10.25 to 1 CR. and had a used -097 Little Duntov solid cam...

pdq67