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MEGALADON
02-23-2007, 05:39:51 PM
I am not a cam guru or anything like that, but I want a small cam.
But just a little bigger then stock. Nothing noisey or lumpy.

I found this VOODOO cam.. Whats your thought for street use.

454.
headers.. 1 3/4 or 1 7/8
intake.. weiand dual plane action plus
carb.. edelbrock 750. Already have it.

stock block, with large oval port heads.
msd ignition and 6-AL box.


THIS IS WHAT THE CAM AD SAYS


Voodoo Chevrolet Big Block (1967 – Present) with OEM Hydraulic Cam Lunati's Voodoo series of Hydraulic Camshafts deliver more area under the curve than any other series of Hydraulic camshafts. This means more throttle response, quicker acceleration, more vacuum, better efficiency, combined with maximum horsepower and torque Hydraulic; Best mild performance cam. Works excellent in fuel Injection applications. Makes approximately 19" vacuum at idle. Great for performance oriented marine applications and heavy duty 454 Dually towing applications. Perfect "Street Rod" cam. Has slightly noticeable idle, works with stock converter, A/C, power brakes and stock valve springs in most cases. Excellent in oval port engines.
Hydraulic; Best mild performance cam. Works excellent in fuel Injection applications. Makes approximately 19" vacuum at idle. Great for performance oriented marine applications and heavy duty 454 Dually towing applications. Perfect "Street Rod" cam. Has slightly noticeable idle, works with stock con

Installation Notes
WARNING: These are the MOST AGGRESSIVE hydraulic flat tappet cams ever produced! If recommended break in procedures are not followed, these cams
WILL FAIL! See the Master Lunati catalog for spring, retainer and keeper specifications or call Lunati Tech at (662) 892–1500



Features

* Advertised Duration IN/EX: 256/262
* Duration @ .050 IN/EX: 213/219
* Gross Valve Lift IN/EX: .515"/.530"
* LSA / ICL: 112/108
* Valve Lash IN/EX: Hyd/Hyd
* RPM Range: 1000-5500

jakeshoe
02-23-2007, 05:58:12 PM
That cam will work well in a mild 454 with a 6 speed. You could even go slightly larger around the 224@.050 range depending on compression, etc.
I've done the 454/6 speed setup in a 72 Camaro and while fun my more radical setup made the manual trans a PITA in town.

MEGALADON
02-23-2007, 06:44:29 PM
You could even go slightly larger around the 224@.050 range depending on compression, etc..

Will a 224 make more lope or make my exhaust more louder??
I am trying to keep my car quiet and comfortable to drive
and talk to the passenger without screaming or drone, I hate the drone. I will
use magnaflow true dual with a x pipe.

ZS10
02-23-2007, 07:07:49 PM
Might be a bit more lopy, nothing objectionable, just noticeable. Could probably go to 230 @ .05 and still be happy if you use sound deadener on the floor and good mufflers.

MEGALADON
02-23-2007, 07:18:13 PM
if you use sound deadener on the floor and good mufflers.

I was gonna use MAGNAFLOW because they are a straight through
design and quiet untill you floor it. :D

pdq67
02-23-2007, 08:25:41 PM
Imho, no more than a good old CC 270 Magnum or their 280 Magnum will do youn nicely here.

NOTE!! Nothing fancy at all.

pdq67

ZS10
02-23-2007, 11:22:45 PM
I'm not familliar with magnaflows at all, but I am with a comp 280 magnum cam, had one in the 427.
.520 lift- easy on valvetrain
230* @ .05 nice rap and broad powerband, good idle
Pump friendly 9.5:1 compression, decent dual plane intake and headers = Easy 500hp and great street manners

pdq67
02-24-2007, 11:54:32 AM
I'm back again and suggest you see your other thread b/c now I'm suggesting CC's 265DEH and 275DEH dual energy cams for you to consider vs the old 268HE and 270 magnum like I did above..

Wished you hadn't started two threads.....

pdq67

MEGALADON
02-24-2007, 01:36:07 PM
I'm back again and suggest you see your other thread b/c now I'm suggesting CC's 265DEH and 275DEH dual energy cams for you to consider vs the old 268HE and 270 magnum like I did above..

Wished you hadn't started two threads.....

pdq67

Thanks for the help!! I'll check into that.
The other thread is for the T56 Swap
Holdiong up to a 454.. Not sure how it
turned into a cam THREAD LOL.

pdq67
02-24-2007, 05:05:10 PM
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pdq67

rustbucket79
02-24-2007, 08:13:10 PM
QUOTE:
Installation Notes
WARNING: These are the MOST AGGRESSIVE hydraulic flat tappet cams ever produced! If recommended break in procedures are not followed, these cams
WILL FAIL! See the Master Lunati catalog for spring, retainer and keeper specifications or call Lunati Tech at (662) 892–1500


In a big block Chevy, king of all camshaft failures?!?! My shop will never sell/install one of these camshafts.
I agree with PDQ's cam suggestion, or even the old school 214/224 that everyone and their dog sells, it fit's what you're asking for, quiet, driveable, torquy, and long lasting. That Voodoo cam will have valvetrain clatter, as do Comp's extreme energy series.

Marks71BB
02-24-2007, 08:29:12 PM
I have the CC 265 DEH in my fresh 454. It came highly recomended by a number of professionals. I dont have it on the road yet but it sounds great with open headers!!!!!
I was looking for a good streetable cam with a broad power curve. This is supposed to be a good pull from idle to 6k.

Its got a lil lope to it. Her I am starting it for the first time, you can hear the lope at idle. I plan on running in the cam tomorrow. I know its been a while... the project was kinda shelved...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wkcMWRnBKE

MEGALADON
02-24-2007, 10:09:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wkcMWRnBKE

That thing should rock!!

jakeshoe
02-24-2007, 10:29:10 PM
I wouldn't go over 230@.050 and even then it depends on the comrpession. If you do go with a 230 ish cam, go wider on the LSA to keep the idle and low rpm characteristics good.

My 454 combo was a mismatched deal due to time constraints at the time. I had the T56 behind it and a 3.73 12 bolt rear in the car.
If doing it again I would use a 4.10 or 4.33 gear for fun, however the driveshaft speed gets up there using a deep rear gear and a big OD ratio.

My 454 had a healthy solid flat tappet cam with a close LSA and only 8.1 compression. It sounds like a horrible mismatch but it gave a nasty idle and once it got to about 2500 the tight LSA made it come on like a light switch. If driving it hard you couldn't tell it was an 8-1 motor.
Oddly enough at 1500+ rpm in 5th or 6th gear it drove smoothly, but in 1st and 2nd it was a PITA to drive in town, you needed to be at around 2500 rpm for it to really drive smoothly and 2500 rpm with a 3" exhaust, Ultra-Flo mufflers, and dumps seems like 5K.

My current Datsun V8 car is the same with a 408 SBC and 4 speed manual, in town it needs to have the rpm's up and it seems like it's screaming when it is smoothed out.

A very well tuned carb will help this scenario but it helps alot to just have a smoother cam with a manual trans in a driver, especially with an OD.

A heavy flywheel is also better, don't go for any lightweight flywheels.

pdq67
02-25-2007, 12:08:41 AM
Guy's,

What we fail to think about a lot of times and I got into this bigtime with my 496 is that we really only need MAX. midrange grunt for a great running street motor!

That's why I went w/ the great old CC 282S solid cam b/c after running a BUNCH of cams through D2k and watching the trend's it produces excellent midrange grunt to me!!

And looking back, I do figure if CC would have made like a solid version of a BB 282DEH that doesn't exist, I would have bought it!!

pdq67

rustbucket79
02-25-2007, 02:33:05 AM
QUOTE:
I am not a cam guru or anything like that, but I want a small cam.
But just a little bigger then stock. Nothing noisey or lumpy.

Let's not forget what was typed in the starting post of the thread. ;)

kroger2u
02-25-2007, 09:43:04 AM
Imho, no more than a good old CC 270 Magnum or their 280 Magnum will do youn nicely here.

NOTE!! Nothing fancy at all.

pdq67
I second this motion. I just pulled an xe274 and put a cc270h in its place. The 270 has good idle and mild enough for normal crusing. The xe had nice power all around, but had some valve train noise similar to a solid, even with full roller rockers.

Todd80Z28
02-25-2007, 10:14:52 AM
Another vote for a hydraulic that doesn't have ridiculous ramp rates. Quieter valvetrain, and it'll last longer. Those dual energy cams should fit nicely.

pdq67
02-25-2007, 12:05:23 PM
Todd,

Thanks for the backup, but I've done some more thinking on this so I'm back again and suggest he see's his other thread b/c now I'm suggesting CC's 265DEH and 275DEH dual energy cams for him to consider vs the old 268HE and 270 magnum like I did above..

They are still grea old cmas but I do figure the DEH cams may just do better for him as a daily driver cam..

pdq67