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View Full Version : Power steering pumps, '79


Shawn
01-11-2007, 08:56:16 PM
The '79 Z I have been putting together came with a power steering pump and no motor. The hose in the back of the pump is just below center in the middle of the back of the pump and hits the block in what seems like way too early, and the hoses seem long and wrong for their position. Is there a chance that someone put a 6 cylinder power steering pump in its' place that does not have all the hoses near the bottom and instead has a hose near the bottom and one near the middle? I looked at my '72 pump and the hoses are near the bottom of the pump housing. And are the brackets that hold the pump to the block available aftermarket? There are probably a couple laying around but for the life of me I cannot seem to find them.

CamaroMan79
01-11-2007, 10:27:50 PM
Sounds like its a pump for a 4.1L 6 cylinder

Shane
01-11-2007, 10:54:42 PM
Here's the pump off of my 77 Z that I just cleaned up and painted (fixed a hole in it too). Does your's look like this?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/shanes72/77%20Z28/power_steering_parts_2.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/shanes72/77%20Z28/power_steering_refinished_4.jpg

402z28
01-12-2007, 03:03:12 AM
Don't mean to hijack this thread, but Shane, how did you fix the whole in your PS resivore (sp?). Mine leaks like a siv.
Thanks
Chris

Shawn
01-12-2007, 07:07:08 AM
I need to see the back of the pump and where the second hose comes out. Also, with the fine picture of the install I'm going back to see if my buddy tried to mount it in the wrong spot.

Shane
01-12-2007, 10:02:25 AM
Shawn, I'll get a pic of the back of it for you this weekend.


Don't mean to hijack this thread, but Shane, how did you fix the whole in your PS resivore (sp?). Mine leaks like a siv.


Well, some bonehead used a screwdriver to try and pry on the pump body to tighten the belt and put a hole in it where you see the fix that I did. I used this stuff from Autozone or NAPA that's a 2 part epoxy steel putty. They usually have it at the front counter and it comes in a tube about the size of a pack of lifesavers.

Edit : The epoxy stuff can be sanded just like bondo. Turned out real nice, plus you can't even see it the way the pump is situated on the engine.

Twisted_Metal
01-12-2007, 11:54:25 AM
Shane... I did the same bone-head manuever about 25 years ago and ripped a hole in the reservoir. :eek: JB Weld held it for years before I finally replaced it.

Shawn... I used the pump from a V6 in my 80 but I had to notch the bracket a bit to get it to fit the pump. (See pic below)

I'm not sure if this will help but I figured it was worth mentioning.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6585/pspmodvg1.jpg

retorq
01-12-2007, 12:42:33 PM
My 80 was originally a V6 car, we swapped in a V8 and used the same pump and bracket. The lines never touched and it looked just like every other PS pump setup on a Camaro I've looked at.

Shane
01-12-2007, 07:10:10 PM
Shane... I did the same bone-head manuever about 25 years ago and ripped a hole in the reservoir. JB Weld held it for years before I finally replaced it.

That's funny right there.

Here's a pic of the back of the pump/reservoir -

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/shanes72/77%20Z28/power_steering_refinished_3.jpg

Shawn
01-13-2007, 10:28:11 AM
Ok, that is not the resevoir in my car. I'm looking at a mid '70 Impala in the wrecking yard that looks about the same. My guess is there are several cars that have the same pump and bracket.

Shane
01-13-2007, 01:28:32 PM
Ok, that is not the resevoir in my car. I'm looking at a mid '70 Impala in the wrecking yard that looks about the same. My guess is there are several cars that have the same pump and bracket.

Yes, alot of chevy engines used this bracket and pump set up. Trucks and Vans are good candidates as well.

Shawn
01-14-2007, 12:07:42 AM
The main large bracket worked but the bracket that came off the original rams horn does not work with my headers. Any ideas, or just use a spacer and a long bolt to get it to the right location?

retorq
01-14-2007, 12:38:19 PM
The headers for my Blazer came with a spacer . . . I've seen guys use a long stud and nuts to get it in the right place too.

Shane
01-14-2007, 02:17:37 PM
The main large bracket worked but the bracket that came off the original rams horn does not work with my headers. Any ideas, or just use a spacer and a long bolt to get it to the right location?

Yep, that's what you need - a spacer. That bracket that you're talking about was designed for the exhaust manifold and not headers. Summit or Jeggs may even sell that correct part.

Damon
01-14-2007, 03:45:27 PM
If your original manifold used a double-sided stud in that location then by all means keep using it, just make a correct length spacer to go behind it to get the bracket alignment correct. It's a TON easier to reuse the original double sided stud than to try to space things out with washers and a plain bolt. The stud/spacer holds the header tight then the outside threads and a nut hold the bracket.

I could snap a pic of the stud/spacer I used with headers on my 78 Malibu. Different bracketry there than your car, but same basic idea.

Shawn
01-15-2007, 08:20:05 PM
Things are still not lining up. The pump on the Impala looks the same as the one in the first picture but the second smaller bracket does not look the same. Also, if I run the AC, does the AC pump go above the power steering pump or somewhere else? I need original '79 V8 motor/ac/power steering pump pictures, or would this be in the '79 GM build book?

Damon
01-15-2007, 08:43:56 PM
You're looking at Shane's picture for comparison? They won't be right for a 79. What yours will look like are exactly what's on my 78 Malibu. The 79 Camaro uses the exact same setup, to my knowlege. Your A/C compressor will go above the PS pump. The only bracket in Shane's picture that will be the same on your 79 will be the bracket that bolts behind the PS pump pulley. Everything else will be different.

Shoot me an email and I'll see if I can snap some pics, as I've already converted over the headers and stuff just like you're doing now.

Or maybe somebody else already has pictures of their late 70s Camaro accessory setup they could post.

Shane
01-15-2007, 10:38:28 PM
Here's the top AC bracket. I thought the 77 and 79 set up was the same but I guess not. I guess what's different is the AC set up b/c of the A-6 compressor used on 77 and earlier cars. Is that right?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/shanes72/77%20Z28/AC_Bracket_Top.jpg

Todd80Z28
01-15-2007, 10:52:26 PM
My '80 had the A6 compressor from the factory, and so far as I can tell, the PS pump and brackets are identical to Shane's pics.
My pump is leaky, too, but I can't tell from where. It just slowly messes itself over time.:confused:

Damon
01-16-2007, 07:16:41 AM
My Malibu has a completely different looking bracket there. There's a triangular shaped bracket that doesn have the whole top "wing" with the bolt hole in it, compared to the picture you just posted. Then there's an "upright" bracket that attaches to an exhaust manifold bolt, to the end of the first bracket, extends up from there to become one of the A/C compressor adjustment sliders and extends down from there to also be the adjustment slider for the outer power steeing pump bracket bolt. I've seen this setup on a lot of cars. I thought it was the same on a Camaro, but maybe not.

I'll take some pics.