Has anyone here track-tested the Professional Products Hurricane intake VS. the RPM Air-Gap intake? The Hurricane single-plane appears to be similar to the Victor Jr. and it's available for Vortec applications.

The Hurricane will have less bottom end than the Victor Jr.. The Edelbrock RPM is no comparison. They are two different dtyle intakes.

The PP castings are garbage. The port locations are off. You would be better off getting a used Edelbrock if you want to save money.

I'm currently running an RPM Air-Gap. I'd like to try a Victor Jr, but Edelbrock doesn't make one for a Vortec 4bbl setup :(

I'd also like to try the new Air-Strike intake out. Anyone have the link to the Air-Strike VS. Super Victor thread over on Chevy Talk that Dirt mentioned?

I currently use the Hurricane intake.....I've had it for 4 yrs now....on a few different builds.

So far i've been 9.5 @ 153mph....works good for me. Used to have it on an N20 combo & ran 10.50's & 11.70's N/A

The intake is more comparable to the SUPER VIC rather than the Vic Jr....its taller than the Vic Jr & has a bigger plenum area.

The ports do come on the small side, probably a tad smaller than a Felpro 1205 gasket, but there's lots of meat in it to open it up.....mine is portmatched to a 1206 gasket.

I havent compared the 2 back to back but i thought i'd offer my input since i've been using one of those "garbage PP intakes"

:D

I currently use the Hurricane intake.....I've had it for 4 yrs now....on a few different builds.

:D

Why did you build and engine like that and then skimp on the intake???

I think a Hurricane would be a mismatch with Vortec heads. Even the Super Victor wouldn't gain much.

Like I said in my previous post, I'm running an RPM Air-Gap intake now. It's bone-stock and not port matched. I wish I could find tests comparing this intake to the new Air Strike.

Why did you build and engine like that and then skimp on the intake???

I think a Hurricane would be a mismatch with Vortec heads. Even the Super Victor wouldn't gain much.

Why do you consider it "skimping".....have you tested one back to back? flowed one? have you ever used one?

Tell us......why did i "skimp" on my Hurricane intake. What is skimping? Paying less for no difference in performance? Buying an oversea's product?

-Carm

The quality is really low. I have seen enough of those intakes in person. The casting sucks and the ports are way off. The lack of quality is nowhere near the cost savings.

Have you ever held an Edelbrock intake, or better yet a Brodix up to the Professional Products intakes? The difference is obvious.

Look at how many pits and irregularities there are in this one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Satin-Hurricane-Intake-SBC-Small-Block-Chevy_W0QQitemZ120070585859QQihZ002QQcategoryZ36474QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Those irregularities go all way through. Professional Products doesn't lay the ports over as good as Edelbrock does. Laying the ports over as the enter the heads tricks the air into thinking it isn't making a turn.

I run a Hurricane intake and some of my friends also do and no problems.Why overpay w/ a eddy and get the same results out of the Hurricane.It has been proven by a friend of mine.Maybe it is time for these american companys to get compeditive w/ the oversea products or see there company go down the drain.Thats a bad picture to make your case on.I have got a couple of bad intakes over the years from eddy and holley that where not in the best shape brand new.We had to clean up and port match also.

I think a Hurricane would be a mismatch with Vortec heads. Even the Super Victor wouldn't gain much.

The old Car Craft Cheap Street class had cars running 9.90's with Vortec heads and the Super Vic intake. I'd say it works okay on Vortec heads.

The old Car Craft Cheap Street class had cars running 9.90's with Vortec heads and the Super Vic intake. I'd say it works okay on Vortec heads.

Those were severly modified Vortec heads. A far cry from a stock pressed in stud, not good for more than .480" lift type of Vortec heads.

That would be like generally saying a tunnel ram and dual 1050 Dominators would work well too on Vortec heads.

I run a Hurricane intake and some of my friends also do and no problems.

The Titanic didn't have any problems either when it left the port. Neither did the Hindenburg. Just because there were no obvious problems doesn't mean that there weren't not so obvious problems there. They could have been losing power and torque without knowing it.

Performance isn't black and white like your statement would only support.

The Eddy perf on my small block needed 1/8 gaskets to fit, and 12 hours with a die grinder to get the ports anywhere near the same.
The Eddy Perf rpm on my 427 needed .060 milled to get it to sit down.
I had a Weiand Action Plus that I bought new and put a bunch of time in, put it on and the pos didn't cover the water ports at the back of the heads.

I don't think either casting quality is any better than the stuff I made in high school. I've see several PP intakes and never heard a bad word about them, any more than Eddy, or Weiand stuff.

Only difference is the name, price and origin. Nothing is truly "Bolt On", imo

All castings will benefit from additional machining. There are acceptable production tolerances that all companies use. Professional Products states publicly that their finished product has lower tolerances in order to save on cost. The porosity of the aluminum begins to come into play eventuallyas well. Their intakes use lesser quality aluminum. The PP ports are farther out from where they should be than any modern Edelbrock intake I have seen.

There are different levels of bad castings.

The quality is really low. I have seen enough of those intakes in person. The casting sucks and the ports are way off. The lack of quality is nowhere near the cost savings.

Have you ever held an Edelbrock intake, or better yet a Brodix up to the Professional Products intakes? The difference is obvious.

Look at how many pits and irregularities there are in this one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Satin-Hurricane-Intake-SBC-Small-Block-Chevy_W0QQitemZ120070585859QQihZ002QQcategoryZ36474QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


You have got to be kidding me. So you basically answered my question. 1. You havent used the intake so therefore 2. You have no back to back testing with it.

You are trying to prove a point by looking at a bad picture on the net. I dont think you have any idea on what youre talking about on this subject, but you're scrounging to try & prove your point. Please comment on what you KNOW, not what you READ about something.

I KNOW this intake is not the best out there, but neither is my block, crank, rods, pistons, turbos, cam, etc.... For $175, my intake has served its purpose for 4 years with NO POROSITY, PORT MISALIGNMENT or any other problems.

By the way, i had a Super Victor as well last season, looked at them both over.....and guess which one i decided to sell? Thats why im still using my Pro Products intake.because it and the Edelbrock Super Vic are practically identical....and to be honest the inside of the Pro Product intake i have (untouched) was definetly better cast than the Edelbrock Super Vic i had (untouched).

Don't try & compare a BRODIX or DART intake to an Edelbrock or Pro Products either....they are in no way similar. I did want to switch to the Brodix intake this season too, but now i just may keep the Pro Products & see if it the piece of junk will go into the 8's.

-Carm

Oh yea reading your sig..why did you "skimp" on pistons in your shortblock :D

If you order AFR's single plane intake it is a PP single plane, other than the added cost. The casting isn't perfect nor is the machine work, but Edelbrock's machine work isn't much better. I ordered in a Super Victor to replace my Jr a year ago but decided that I didn't want to do a bunch of porting to get it close to my current manifold so I returned it. I wouldn't mind checking out their CNC ported Super Victor though....

Those were severly modified Vortec heads. A far cry from a stock pressed in stud, not good for more than .480" lift type of Vortec heads.

That would be like generally saying a tunnel ram and dual 1050 Dominators would work well too on Vortec heads.

That class required unmodified Vortec heads -- ie, no porting allowed and there was a claimer rule in effect at the time. There were other heads allowed, like the Edelbrock RPM heads and a few others, but early on the quickest guys were running the Vortecs. There was also a .485" camshaft lift rule in effect as well which was checked.

You have got to be kidding me. So you basically answered my question. 1. You havent used the intake so therefore 2. You have no back to back testing with it.

You are trying to prove a point by looking at a bad picture on the net. I dont think you have any idea on what youre talking about on this subject, but you're scrounging to try & prove your point. Please comment on what you KNOW, not what you READ about something.

-Carm

Carm -- ask Lluciano what HIS car runs at the track. :cool:

You have got to be kidding me. So you basically answered my question. 1. You havent used the intake so therefore 2. You have no back to back testing with it.

You are trying to prove a point by looking at a bad picture on the net. I dont think you have any idea on what youre talking about on this subject, but you're scrounging to try & prove your point. Please comment on what you KNOW, not what you READ about something.
-Carm

No, I have done a lot of research on a lot of different projects. In fact I spend at least an hour a day researching engines, products, and theory.

I don't need to run the intake. I have found enough info proving their indequacy, and I have also seen it with my own eyes.

Go ahead use your inferior intake. I hope a chip breaks off somehow and destroys your bottom end. That would serve you right.

Carm -- ask Lluciano what HIS car runs at the track. :cool:

There are other ways to make your car faster than getting track times. The research and planning before you get to the track is ten times more important than the 13 seconds or less that you run your car at.

Yet again Dirt, I am just here giving an honest educated opinion to help people. Unlike you, someone that likes to stomp around and trash talk first and help second.

If I could make it to the track I would. My health won't allow it. So I am forced to improvise. What your excuse for ignorance?

The Titanic didn't have any problems either when it left the port. Neither did the Hindenburg.

Performance isn't black and white like your statement would only support.
I don't look to run into icebergs or lighting bolts at the the track.All I know in black and white is my mild 383 runs 6.50's in the 1/8th w/ a PP hurricane intake.It will do that back to back all day long.Ck out camaro-3 at the bottom that is a pp intake power.

Guys, no need for bashing each other here. I was just looking for some insight on the Hurricane single plane for Vortec heads. I *think* the Super Victor would be too big for my setup, but it would be fun to test. I still can't find any more info about the Air Strike.

;) There are other ways to make your car faster than getting track times. The research and planning before you get to the track is ten times more important than the 13 seconds or less that you run your car at.

Yet again Dirt, I am just here giving an honest educated opinion to help people. Unlike you, someone that likes to stomp around and trash talk first and help second.

If I could make it to the track I would. My health won't allow it. So I am forced to improvise. What your excuse for ignorance?

For all that so-called research you do, you sure don't know much. Most of what you post is personal conjecture mixed in with unfactual information. The problem with you is you think you know it all, yet you have zero drag strip seat time and your primary source of info is reading Car Craft. Nothing wrong with that but many of us have been in this game a lot longer than you have and we actually have raced our cars over the years enough to be able to seperate a lot of fact from fiction. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but if you present those opinions as fact when clearly it is not, you can bet your bottom dollar you're going to get called on it.

Guys - Dirt & lluciano - I'm trying to follow this thread B/C I want to try a single plane in place of my RPM Air Gap and I can't read a da*n thing except your individual ego's. Both of you are highly intelligent but when you start spewing the crap, it makes both of you look like children... IMHO

Guys - Dirt & lluciano - I'm trying to follow this thread B/C I want to try a single plane in place of my RPM Air Gap and I can't read a da*n thing except your individual ego's. Both of you are highly intelligent but when you start spewing the crap, it makes both of you look like children... IMHO

They drew first blood.

the only proof i need is that the PP stuff comes from china and are blatant ripoffs of edelbrock's millions in research and development, and the Eddy stuff is made in the USA. anyway i've seen some of the PP deals come with some awfully nasty casting flash.

;)

For all that so-called research you do, you sure don't know much. Most of what you post is personal conjecture mixed in with unfactual information. The problem with you is you think you know it all, yet you have zero drag strip seat time and your primary source of info is reading Car Craft. Nothing wrong with that but many of us have been in this game a lot longer than you have and we actually have raced our cars over the years enough to be able to seperate a lot of fact from fiction. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but if you present those opinions as fact when clearly it is not, you can bet your bottom dollar you're going to get called on it.

I barely ever use info from mags since it is biased. The problem with you is your extensive experience blinds you from using your head. You don't ever reach a point of knowing it all. Even Dirtalmighty. Call me on it all you want. I am here to build knowledge for others. Not just to prove people wrong like you are. If you have better info then give it. No need to parade around like a jackass.

The PP castings are garbage.
I believe you drew 1ST blood with this statement since I have run these intakes.I am not a fan of knock offs but if they work the same or better and I can save some $$$'s I am there.

How is that drawing first blood. It is an honest opinion. Isn't that what was being asked?

This was fun hope no one got there tail feathers burned,but will have to agree to disagree on this one.PATGIZZ,Hate to tell you this but at least 80% of everthing we buy comes from China or somewhere else and all of it is knock offs of something we use to do well.You can thank profit margins for that.

lluciano77, I respect your opinion on most things and you are a good contributor to this site. However, it seems like your attitude as of late in this and other threads is somewhat unjustified. I would take the opinion of someone who has used a part or combination over that of someone who hasn't any day of the week, regardless of how much knowledge he or she might have. That being said, I don't think it's uncalled for that other experienced members call you out on your opinions. And when you put out a blanket statement like "The PP castings are garbage" having never used one, you can expect some animated criticism from those who have.

and? keep adding to the problem and sending our manufacturing jobs overseas, i'll keep buying as much as i can from american factories.

thats the problem with this country. people KNOW there are alternative that are made here but they buy the ripoff cause its $50 less.

Wow, this thread went down hill fast.

Go ahead use your inferior intake. I hope a chip breaks off somehow and destroys your bottom end. That would serve you right.

You're going to last long here Genius....why dont you & your "i hope another member blows up his motor" attitude take a hike.

You're no longer welcome or deserving to be here in my opinion. Just consider yourself lucky im not a mod, as you'd definetly be on vacation time.

You are stating "reviews" and i am stating "FACTS" .....why dont you keep to the topic & debate it as we have been.

-Carm

Yet again Dirt, I am just here giving an honest educated opinion to help people.



Luciano an educated opinion would be someone who's BEEN THERE & DONE THAT. You have not used an intake & try to show how "POOR" it is by an EBAY picture.

You're not listening to the people that actually have experience with it. Your hard headedness & ignorance has proven to be your downfall in terms of people's respect on here.

-Carm

DriveWFO - is there a specific reason you want to go to a single plane intake. Like you, I have a RPM AirGap but it's supposedly limited to 150hp shot on my N2O plate system. My engine is built to handle more so I'm also kind of looking at a single plane. I certainly can't speak better of the RPM AirGap, especially compared to the old Torker II I pulled off.

Hey guys,If ya dont mind me askin,,whats the rpm range on the PP intake.. I scored a set of vortecs(actually the whole 4bolt roller motor for $100.00) and will be needing an intake.. Its a 355with a solid cam..
Thanks..
Hulk

and? keep adding to the problem and sending our manufacturing jobs overseas, i'll keep buying as much as i can from american factories.

thats the problem with this country. people KNOW there are alternative that are made here but they buy the ripoff cause its $50 less.

Pat, I agree but it seems like the trend is to supplant quality with price, no matter what the price. If these guys would look at bang for the buck, Eddy would be in there.

Hulk the RPM Range of the PP intake is similar to the Vic Jr or Super Vic.....it really depends on the combo as well (cubic inch)

They rate them from 3500-8000rpm or something like that

-Carm

Hey guys,If ya dont mind me askin,,whats the rpm range on the PP intake.. I scored a set of vortecs(actually the whole 4bolt roller motor for $100.00) and will be needing an intake.. Its a 355with a solid cam..
Thanks..
Hulk

Hulk - they advertise the same RPM range for the Eddy intake they clone. FWIW

DriveWFO - is there a specific reason you want to go to a single plane intake. Like you, I have a RPM AirGap but it's supposedly limited to 150hp shot on my N2O plate system. My engine is built to handle more so I'm also kind of looking at a single plane. I certainly can't speak better of the RPM AirGap, especially compared to the old Torker II I pulled off.

I would like more top-end hp and I'm spraying the motor as well.

I, like CorkyE, am torn on this issue and trying to learn what others have found. I ran a very restrictive Weiand 8004 last year which advertised 2000-5800 rpm as a working range. Since I believe virtually all the manufacturers advertise based on 350's and I run a 406 then its prudent to knock 400-500 rpms off that spec for my larger displacement engine and 200cc intake ports. I knew this when I choose the manifold to work under a stock steel flat hood with a Q-Jet. This is also clearly a result I observed on the dyno and at the strip with the Weiand 8004 low rise. The intake theory seemed correct with this one, as I was strong off the line and relatively flat after 5300 or so. I let it go to about 5800-6000 for shifts. Now its time to open this puppy up the way I built it to actually run in the first place!!! A 4" glass cowl hood will allow this change.

I have aquired a Weiand Team G single plane now and its advertised at 3000-7200 which means I should get an all out peak at closer too my cammed for 5800-6000 and shift at 6300-6500??? without loosing too much mid range air column velocity ( which helps create torque ). Thats the way I believe intakes should be considered, with displacement and peak rpm HP range factored in. This theory MAY or MAYNOT actually work! Annoyingly, the single plane vs dual plane arguement is closest when dealing with an SBC peaking around 6000 rpm +-, which is just what I and many 400 SBC folks here run at.

I am convinced its worth my time to actually dial this Team G in and run it a few weeks and then try a new air gap style dual plane later this Spring. Any good higher rpm air gaps style dual plane will do. I'll make that the sole change and I of course dial it in as well but withthe same carb and exhaust of course. I am leaning to the new Weiand air gap due to its rather intriguingly different plenum concept.

Having said that, I have no problem with the PP manifolds.

First off, the owners of PP are American, based in California. Second off, I think Edlebrock can pay for the SEMA show and all the other big dollar marketing with someone else's coin. If the PP Cyclone, Chinese cast, Air Gap knock offs, will do the trick then I'm in. I am a free trader and as far as I'm concerned Edlebrock wants too much for the name. The castings aren't that great and the PPs aren't that bad either. Weiand/Holley are competitive...Eddy isn't lately.

the Super vic for vortec heads has a smaller cross section than the regular super vics do. A little bit scaled down to better match a mild performance app . They make the port entry smaller on purpose so they can be port matched to the end users heads.

I like to buy american as much as I can too.

DJ
Mr Vortec heh

Thanks turbo, I think I may want to stay a little lower in the rpms with the vortecs on the street..I need something in the 2500-7000 range.. Any suggestions?
Hulk

Camerton - Weiand has a new "AirGap" type intake out that's supposed to be better than Eddy's. I haven't heard of anyone trying it out yet.

Hulk personally I think if you've got a healthy little motor the Hurricane OR EQUIVELENT will work great for you. I wouldnt hesitate using it on the street as thats where mine have always been used.

-Carm

You can click on my cardomain below to see my combo and how simple and good that it works with the Hurricane for what it is. On the other hand, my best friends Monte( http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2414837 ) lost just about a tenth when he tried the Hurricane over his AirGap. We think he needs more stall, then it would be higher in the rpm range on launch that the advantage of the Airgap would be lost. So, it all depends on the combo and what it likes.

Luciano an educated opinion would be someone who's BEEN THERE & DONE THAT. You have not used an intake & try to show how "POOR" it is by an EBAY picture.

You're not listening to the people that actually have experience with it. Your hard headedness & ignorance has proven to be your downfall in terms of people's respect on here.

-Carm

Dirt and Rick are always jerks on here. I'll add you to the list.

I have been there and done that. I have seen how poorly made the intakes are.

You're going to last long here Genius....why dont you & your "i hope another member blows up his motor" attitude take a hike.

You're no longer welcome or deserving to be here in my opinion. Just consider yourself lucky im not a mod, as you'd definetly be on vacation time.

You are stating "reviews" and i am stating "FACTS" .....why dont you keep to the topic & debate it as we have been.

-Carm

You started in with the bad attitude. Why don't you take your trouble making rearend out of here. Did I ever say my opinion was fact? NO. Did i jump all over you first. NO. You need a vacation.

Rick and Dirt have big egos and like to start trouble. YOU are just a brainless follower.

Luciano......look at your join date, and take a look at Mine, Dirt's & Rick's.

It might tell you something....we all share the same views....we've been here for a while, we've experienced quite a bit & we ALWAYS talk on BEHALF of what we tried.

You may really want to tone yourself down before someone does it for you. There's no ego talking here, just FACTS & EXPERIENCE both of which you havent any.

-Carm

Rick and Dirt have big egos and like to start trouble. YOU are just a brainless follower.

Nobody is being a jerk Illuciano and neither Dirt nor I "like to start trouble". When you make comments that are:
A) false,
B) an opinion stated as fact,
C) derogatory in nature,
folks are going to call you out on it.

Plain and simple. Calling another member brainless isn't going to help your cause either. It's poor behavior on a board of this caliber.

Where is YOUR proof my OPINION is false???

You are more interested in causing problems then you are about thinking about what is going on. That is brainless.

Putting your ego first before finding the truth is bad for a board of this caliber. You have to be #1 or nobody gets to add input. How dare I come around here with an opinion that doesn't match yours.

I have been on this board for awhile and I have never seen BS or egos taking over from Dirt, Carm, or Rick.

IMO all 3 are stand up guys with a big background in high performance and racing. All 3 of them has my respect, because they talk real world. They give fact not opinion.. Thier fact also comes from 1st hand proof eaither from testing on a dyno or the track.

I have to agree with the other guys... Your comments was out of line and showed major disrespect.

If guys are telling you they had the intake on thier cars and ran them at the track with good results then it beats your 'hear say' and picture "proof" of them being junk.

I know myself I'm not too happy with the crappy edelbrock castings in the last couple of years. I have not ran a PP intake yet so I can't say about them but the newer eddys aint too good.

The last 8 eddy intakes I have had in my hands was sad to say the least. Flash in just about every port, casting line on outter walls of ports was rough and rasied, ports wasnt even close to being matched to thier self's much less any gasket out there.

I'm not home now, will be in a couple of days.. When I get home I can post how bad the ports was on a few of those eddy intakes if you want to see. I took pics of them and saved it to my PC.

Considering both brands are targeting the same market and both are trying to get a product out at minimal cost, there is no suprize to me that they aren't the works of art that customers expect. You only have to imagine yourself building most any engine component and the amount of research and development is required, along with casting and machining facilities, we as the consumer should appreciate how inexpensive the mundane small block Chevy intake manifold is. Sure they aren't as perfect as we would like, but they are created as a one size fits all in regards to port exits and need some professional (or consumer) clean up work to fit our application.
As far as supporting your own country by buying Edelbrock, you're still buying out of country on some of their products, and that is to maintain a competetive price point. Much of the PP is of lesser quality in casting and finish, but you are saving $$ because of it.

I sure hope the weather clears up for those who's fuses are getting quite short so they can lay a beating on their car rather than fellow board members. This place is better than that.

I barely ever use info from mags since it is biased. The problem with you is your extensive experience blinds you from using your head. You don't ever reach a point of knowing it all. Even Dirtalmighty. Call me on it all you want. I am here to build knowledge for others. Not just to prove people wrong like you are. If you have better info then give it. No need to parade around like a jackass.

You're right -- parading around like a jackass is your forte, not mine.

I am here to build knowledge for others

That's where the problems start. Much of what you post is not factual information. It is simply your personal opinion which you attempt to pass off as fact. When you get called on it you cry like a 5 year old and throw a tantrum. And to say "I'm here to build knowledge for others" sounds pretty self-exalting to me for a guy who has never even had a car down the track.

lluciano77 - strike 2 for you bro.

You're stirring up a hornets nest. Most if not all of these guys work in this industry. That means they do this ALL the time....I, as well as the majority of people here don't just rely on ONE opinion of a product. IF they get several, and they're all the same, something has to be said about consistancy. You come on here saying "X and Y" and yet these other have proof against it. They've 'done it, got the shirt too'.....they called you out on how many intakes YOU have used or YOU have modified or YOU have changed and seen a performance gain or loss. YOU keep saying the same thing, and not in a nice way.

Here it is spelled out - you're digging a hole. Its getting deep. Once it gets too deep, I'll fill it in with you in it. Prolly take you 2 weeks or so to dig out of it....and if you need THAT spelled out, I'm talking about a vacation.

And for the rest of you....and I mean all....keep it clean and friendly as its supposed to and POST UP YOUR FACTS when you make statements that refer to something that someone is debating is true or fiction.

Thank you...carry on....