My old shop teacher who used to be a drag racer /turbo shop owner said he had a turbo for my car and could possibly get it for me. He used to drag race '78 Camaros. Even though I wanna do a 383 build next winter, should I look into getting this turbo? It'll either be really cheap or possibly free. Does anyone have any information on turbos that bolt right up to the LM-1 350?

There's really no such thing as a "bolt on" turbo for the SBC

Turbos use the exhaust to drive them, so in a nut shell how you install it is..

Turbo manifolds/headers. They are turned upside down, the turbos fits ontop of the header, then the exhaust pipes are ran to the back of the turbos. Then ducting is ran from turbos to carb., The air cleaner is removed from the carb and a box or hat is installed for the duct work to hook up too, then and ducting from turbos to the cone shaped air cleaners.

Thats just the gen. idea. There's alot more too it than just that though

What if it's a belt driven turbo for a carburated engine? If you can get a good deal on it, i say get it. Maybe build the 383 to accommmodate a turbo, cam and compression wise. Or save it for another project. I would'nt pass on a deal like that. It's pretty hard to beat free http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/smile.gif

a belt drivin turbo is called a Supercharger.

If its free or cheap and you have help you should get it!

Thanks for the replies. It sounds like it may turn into a project for me. Still learning practically everything about everything. I'm definetly gonna try to get it which should be easy. Now if I can just get a hold of my teacher again. If I do end up with it I'll be back on this subject with lots of questions.

Free ? Hell I would take it even if I never knew what I was doing.

Mind you, unless your motor is built to handle more than just 5lbs of boost, then you're going to blow it really fast. Supercharged and Turbocharged engines have to be built with higher quality components that cost you alot more than your average parts.

Next, the time and energy it will take to make those custom headers for your turbo. I'm not sure if you can use just 1 turbo on a V8 or not. I would assume not, but that's just my guess. I could be wrong.

www.grapeaperacing.com (http://www.grapeaperacing.com) he is a member here who put a twin turbo setup in his car. He has alot of info on how he did it on his site. Check it out so you at least have a clue what you're getting into.

I think someone said before that if you DIDN'T make your own headers for the turbo, they have a place that sells them for almost a $1000. Good luck.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Aceshigh:
Free ? Hell I would take it even if I never knew what I was doing.

Mind you, unless your motor is built to handle more than just 5lbs of boost, then you're going to blow it really fast. Supercharged and Turbocharged engines have to be built with higher quality components that cost you alot more than your average parts.

Next, the time and energy it will take to make those custom headers for your turbo. I'm not sure if you can use just 1 turbo on a V8 or not. I would assume not, but that's just my guess. I could be wrong.

www.grapeaperacing.com (http://www.grapeaperacing.com) he is a member here who put a twin turbo setup in his car. He has alot of info on how he did it on his site. Check it out so you at least have a clue what you're getting into.

I think someone said before that if you DIDN'T make your own headers for the turbo, they have a place that sells them for almost a $1000. Good luck. </font>


Exactly. I thought I would HAVE to have a twin turbo set-up. But I assumed there was a way to go with one turbo that I must not have heard of. I'm actually pretty confused about that. I'm really gonna have to talk to my teacher more about this to get more info on it. There is no way in hell I would pay $1000 for a pair of headers. Thanks for posting the link. It gave me a better understanding about how exactly to hookup the whole twin turbo system.

If it's a drag car a single turbo will work fine but if you are putting it on a street car twin turbo is the way to go.
When you have one big turbo there's a lot of lag which is why most street guys go with smaller twin turbos.Guys are even using nitrous to spool up the turbo to make up for the lag off the line.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by night rider:
There's really no such thing as a "bolt on" turbo for the SBC </font>


Well, there kinda is now...with enough money you can buy the WHOLE kit and just bolt it on...

http://www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-products.cfm

http://www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-system.cfm

And quote....
<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">If you are a do-it-yourselfer, Gale Banks Engineering now has a complete Twin-Turbo kit to fit most common 350 small-block V-8 engines. Installation by a competent mechanic can be completed in one weekend. </font>

Which means we can do it in a day & a half http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by rscamaro73 (edited November 29, 2004).]

rscamaro,

Any sources for a BBC setup ? That's pretty sweet. I'm really likin' the TT setup to do on my ride. Cost though.....just called.....EGADS!!!

$6000 for the complete kit. They're so stoned. $1800 just for the exhaust manifolds.....puff, puff give ??
Okay, thank you, buh bye now.


[This message has been edited by Aceshigh (edited November 29, 2004).]

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by craggar:
If it's a drag car a single turbo will work fine but if you are putting it on a street car twin turbo is the way to go.
When you have one big turbo there's a lot of lag which is why most street guys go with smaller twin turbos.Guys are even using nitrous to spool up the turbo to make up for the lag off the line.</font>

That sounds like it might be what my teacher is talking about since he's an ex drag racer. Do you know anything about how a single turbo is hooked up to a sbc?

I know you have to seal the carb and the intake is totally different.Maybe ask these guys http://www.turbotech.ca/integra1.php one of the owners is a friend and he just took a turbo setup home with him from a sb that another friend had.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Aceshigh:
rscamaro,

Any sources for a BBC setup ? That's pretty sweet. I'm really likin' the TT setup to do on my ride. Cost though.....just called.....EGADS!!!

$6000 for the complete kit. They're so stoned. $1800 just for the exhaust manifolds.....puff, puff give ??
Okay, thank you, buh bye now.


[This message has been edited by Aceshigh (edited November 29, 2004).]</font>


And they're selling a bunch of them. I know of 7 sales just from people on one of the sites I participate in. The manifolds are $895 a pair, not $1800.

Jody


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So Banks is now selling a BBC kit too? Gonna have to look into this...6k doesn't sound too bad. Considering for the turbos I'm going to be going with, it'll be right at 3 grand just for 2 turbos and 2 wastegates...

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by camcojb:

And they're selling a bunch of them. I know of 7 sales just from people on one of the sites I participate in. The manifolds are $895 a pair, not $1800.

Jody
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Well that's exactly the amount the salesperson just told me...$1800..so I dunno.
I'm not discrediting their quality, just the cost. That's pretty expensive I would think.
If they were wrong and it is $895....that's about right I would say. I was seeing one place sell the manifolds for almost $1000.

Have you looked at the kits that http://www.bbsdesigns.net/ ?

They're mainly 3rd generation kits, but may fit 2nd generation also.



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"So what if you have more horsepower per liter. I have more horsepower per car!!"

Not to mention intercooler expense which I haven't seen mentioned yet. All that heat needs to be controlled to get maximum boost performance.

I am in the process of putting together a TT project for my 73RS. I found so much mind numbing info on www.turbomustang.com (http://www.turbomustang.com) that I spent 40 or 50 hours going over it. Don't by pass the junk yard build up section and use the search button, a lot of good info there. Good luck Pat

I have an 80' Z28 with a single turbo on it.

Works just fine and is perfectly streetable. My turbo is a little on the small side but will still make 10psi and 500 crank HP after its tuned.

With zero tuning (26 degrees timing, real rich) at 7psi I made about 300rwhp, and 400rwtq on 93 octane pump gas.

I still have to set the timing, tune the carb, get teh water injection working, and put on the bigger down pipe. I would like to see 350rwhp or more by the spring.

You can buy older single turbo systems for $1500. I know a guy who has two for sale. You might have to get the turbo rebuilt though which will cost about $400.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RacerRick:
I have an 80' Z28 with a single turbo on it.

Works just fine and is perfectly streetable. My turbo is a little on the small side but will still make 10psi and 500 crank HP after its tuned.

With zero tuning (26 degrees timing, real rich) at 7psi I made about 300rwhp, and 400rwtq on 93 octane pump gas.

I still have to set the timing, tune the carb, get teh water injection working, and put on the bigger down pipe. I would like to see 350rwhp or more by the spring.

You can buy older single turbo systems for $1500. I know a guy who has two for sale. You might have to get the turbo rebuilt though which will cost about $400.</font>


Do you think you could post some pictures of your turbo set up at some different angle? And also could you explain a little bit of how your single turbo set up is hooked up?

Here are a few pics. They are from when I got the car.

http://www.phoenixforce.org/mul_0008.jpg

http://www.phoenixforce.org/mul_0008.jpg

These are newer ones.

http://www.phoenixforce.org/turbosetup1.jpg
http://www.phoenixforce.org/turbosetup2.jpg
http://www.phoenixforce.org/turbosetup3.jpg

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Aceshigh:
Well that's exactly the amount the salesperson just told me...$1800..so I dunno.
I'm not discrediting their quality, just the cost. That's pretty expensive I would think.
If they were wrong and it is $895....that's about right I would say. I was seeing one place sell the manifolds for almost $1000.</font>


I got mine for less than $895. so I'm pretty sure that's the correct price. $1600-$1800 will get you stainless headers, and would be too much for manifolds as you said.

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My turbo is located on the passenger side of the motor, right on top of the exhaust manifold. The drivers side manifold has a crossover pipe that goes to the turbo manifold on the passenger side.

Here are some pics of when we were pulling the motor:

http://www.phoenixforce.org/mul_0008.jpg

Here is a top view of the rebuilt motor, and turbo system. The carb is in the stock location and the intake is split horozontally with a pair of flapper valves in the bottom that are sucked open by engine vacumn. When this happens the turbo system is bypassed. The turbo sucks through the upper plenum where the carb is mounted, then stuffs the compressed air into the lower plenum which is just a really shallow single plane intake.

http://www.phoenixforce.org/turbosetup1.JPG
http://www.phoenixforce.org/turbosetup2.JPG
http://www.phoenixforce.org/turbosetup3.JPG

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Here are some pics of when we were pulling the motor:
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The last time I checked a turbo had four paths, Intake in - from outside, Intake out - to intake manifold, Exhaust in - from exhaust manifold, Exhaust out - to tail pipe. Is it my imagination, or do I see two of the paths connected to the intake manifold, after the carb???

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jeduffey:

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Here are some pics of when we were pulling the motor:
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The last time I checked a turbo had four paths, Intake in - from outside, Intake out - to intake manifold, Exhaust in - from exhaust manifold, Exhaust out - to tail pipe. Is it my imagination, or do I see two of the paths connected to the intake manifold, after the carb???</font>

The front one is intake and the rear is exhaust.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RacerRick:
I have an 80' Z28 with a single turbo on it.

Works just fine and is perfectly streetable. My turbo is a little on the small side but will still make 10psi and 500 crank HP after its tuned.

With zero tuning (26 degrees timing, real rich) at 7psi I made about 300rwhp, and 400rwtq on 93 octane pump gas.

I still have to set the timing, tune the carb, get teh water injection working, and put on the bigger down pipe. I would like to see 350rwhp or more by the spring.

You can buy older single turbo systems for $1500. I know a guy who has two for sale. You might have to get the turbo rebuilt though which will cost about $400.</font>
When I said one for srip and twin for street I was thinking of big turbos and lots of boost.I can see how yours would work good on the street.

Yeah - its just a little turbo. Same flow as a T04B V1 trim...should be good for about 500hp.

Here is a link to another page on this forum that has a listing of some budget turbo sites. Some of the stuff is not pretty but who can argue with 10's on a stock engine with junk turbos even if they are mustangs.

http://www.nastyz28.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/010127.html

Which intake manifold is that?

You guys should be able to fab up a exhaust manifold yourselfs. You can use a log design
to do that. get some 4in square stock with
some nice thick gage, and a exhaust flange,
use some pipes, and go straight into that.

unless your trying to go for "high" ammounts of boost, i wouldn't worry about the design.

What intreges me is that intake manifold., I was thinking about something with a hing
but i was thinking about building a box for the carburator., and when the turbos spooled up, then it would allow them to kick in. I like that intake., I was wondering if they had a setup for dual turbos.

That is a Martin turbo intake which is for a single. How it is designed, it really won't work with a dual setup.

It uses reed valves in the bottom of the upper plenum so that engine vacumn can open them and draw directly through the carb, bypassing the turbo. As boost comes up, it closes the reed valves. I can tell you, that there is zero lag in this system.

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by AJ_72:
Have you looked at the kits that http://www.bbsdesigns.net/ ?

They're mainly 3rd generation kits, but may fit 2nd generation also.

I did check thier sites and they are not that much less than any other kit. Well thier race kit is just under $3300. So its on the level of a supercharger. I did look at thier race headers and it did not state if they are stainless or steel but $1200. I can buy stainless headers for this in Dallas. For this price I figured I could buy my own TIG welder. Well I bought a TIG but it was more than $1200. If I ever do build my own headers i will probably build them like Mark Stielow did using thick stainless tubing.


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[This message has been edited by f-body (edited January 02, 2005).]

Iwould go with the turbo if you can afford it. With a supercharger it takes hp to run and can only spin as fast as the engine. Turbo runs off wasted exhaust and can spin over 100,000 rpm. Just get a good wastegate. There much more efficient than superchargers and don't require refilling like nitrous.

here is another link to some JY turbo stuff

http://www.toohighpsi.com/

http://www.toohighpsi.com/BudgetTT/BudgetTT.
htm


For those of us really cheap people. Take two cast iron manifolds or some shorty headers, turn them around to face forward and connect two turbos. go to an understanding muffler shop and have them fab up the intake tubing find a cheap intercooler or two of them. Build a box to enclose the carb connect all the tubing add a better fuel pump and go to the track and run 10's. Check out the budgetTT link above to see how it was done.

[This message has been edited by f-body (edited January 06, 2005).]

I can't stress enough how much information is available for a JY or purchased turbo system at www.turbomustang.com. (http://www.turbomustangS.com.) Yes, they do have a lot of GM stuff on their forum. I have lived on that sight for the last 60 days and I have found answers to every question I had and some I didn't know I had. I am planning on a twin system using Holset HX35W's or HY35W's from a 5.9 Dodge diesel. I may end up with a larger single HX40 thought so the car has on "1" power adder for some drag racing I plan. I will be building a blow thru carb, 650DP which will support more hp than my car could use. Good luck Pat

[This message has been edited by PL 73RS (edited January 10, 2005).]

<font face="Arial,Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by PL 73RS:
I can't stress enough how much information is available for a JY or purchased turbo system at www.turbomustang.com. (http://www.turbomustang.com.) Yes, they do have a lot of GM stuff on their forum. I have lived on that sight for the last 60 days and I have found answers to every question I had and some I didn't know I had. I am planning on a twin system using Holset HX35W's or HY35W's from a 5.9 Dodge diesel. I may end up with a larger single HX40 thought so the car has on "1" power adder for some drag racing I plan. I will be building a blow thru carb, 650DP which will support more hp than my car could use. Good luck Pat</font>


Its www.turbomustangs.com, (http://www.turbomustangs.com,) you for got the "s". Link is great lots of info.

I left of the Da_n "s" my mistake. Thanks F-body.