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boardog
08-17-2011, 12:42:49 AM
i have seen non r/s cars with several different stripe placements on the upper header panel. as far as i can tell the aim shows only one stripe placement on the upper header panel. it looks to be for a r/s car. anyone know the gm stripe placement for a non r/s 70 thru 73 car? anyone got a pic of a original car with the stripes? are the stripes the same for a r/s vs a non r/s car?

White81Z
08-17-2011, 07:37:20 AM
The only 70-73 Camaro's that got stripes were the Z/28's.

No further comment.

Rick H.

boardog
08-17-2011, 09:08:18 AM
i understand that, but not all camaro's with the z28 package got the r/s package. a bunch were non r/s cars. so my question is are the nose stripes the same?

Gary S
08-17-2011, 09:25:24 AM
What we need here will be pictures of original Z28/RS cars for each year. 1970, 1971, 1972, and 1973. In addition to that, we should get pictures of Van Nuys cars and Norwood cars. I believe there were small differences between years and also between assembly plants. Some of this might be the differences you see in the cars you look at.

boardog
08-17-2011, 01:19:52 PM
if i understand right, the r/s cars got shorter stripes on the upper valace panel due to the urethane nose. the non r/s cars got longer stripes due to not having the urethane nose. i have looked thru the aim numerous times and it only shows the shorter stripes. i need the location for a non r/s car. i wonder why gm did not put both stripe placements in the aim. maybe there was an addition that the workers had that was not in the aim. chuck how do the judges view the stripe difference?
here is a car i just finished, i used a micrometer to lay out the stripes exactly as the aim calls for. are these stripes correct for a non r/s car?

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/877447/fullsize/dscn0591.jpg

Gary S
08-17-2011, 02:40:33 PM
If you check the Classic Industries catalog, they list 4 different stripe kits.

One piece rear spoiler without RS
One piece rear spoiler with RS
Three piece rear spoiler without RS
Three piece rear spoiler with RS

So, not only are there differences up front due to the RS front end, but also at the rear due to the spoiler.

Mieser3
08-17-2011, 02:45:25 PM
Here's the stripes of my 70 Z28/RS that still has the original paint. It is a Van Nuys built car.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/miesmieser/DSC_1555.jpg

boardog
08-17-2011, 04:13:10 PM
back of the car is no problem, it is the low versus the high spoiler and where the stripes ended [la versus a norwood car] i have the rear and the hood stripes on. i need the correct answer on the front ones. maybe one of the experts will chime in. thanks gary for the info.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/882794/fullsize/022.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/882009/fullsize/001.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/882796/fullsize/012.jpg

l16pilot
08-17-2011, 05:19:43 PM
...a little off topic, but WOW Ken...that's some beautiful work.

krabben1
08-17-2011, 05:23:41 PM
AFAIK,the only thing that changes in the front is the angle of the stripes to follow the metal that changes from r/s.Ill check my 72aim tonight for you.

krabben1
08-17-2011, 05:33:30 PM
I have them.I can scan it for you later.Gotta run out.

krabben1
08-17-2011, 06:57:06 PM
Here ya go.
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m369/krabben1/lastscan.jpg

boardog
08-17-2011, 07:12:07 PM
thanks for the info, also what is up for debate is the radius in the turns, the aim gives you the length, width and the taper of the stripes but it is up to the painter on the radius in the corners. i don't radius my stripes as sharply as some in the corners. i make mine a tad more gradual. it is just something i like.

krabben1
08-17-2011, 07:16:03 PM
I know the insides are alot sharper(like a quarter),and the outsides relax more.
Also,there isnt a "head"shot of them in the aim.And oddly,there are no R/S stripes in my 72aim.

twozs
08-17-2011, 07:16:58 PM
if you're that concerned about the exactness of the stripes , why did you use the small spoiler on a 72 ? it is a 72 right ? if not disregard

69LM1
08-17-2011, 07:23:46 PM
Was'nt there some extensive discussion about the rear stripes and where they went up to on the LA vs. Nor cars? Or am I thinking about the 69's?

I know one or the other got different stripe placement based on production plant......


Here's my 70 COPO Z, non original paint but supposedly followed the original:

http://www.69lm1.com/70copo/back.jpg

Rich

boardog
08-17-2011, 07:30:23 PM
okay i just looked at all 3 aims, 70 thru 73. they all show the same front stripe placement. it does not specify r/s and non r/s. the 70 aim book shows exactly the same placement as the 72 posted above except for the back stripes. i have the backs figured out. question is where are people getting the stripe layout for a non r/s car front stripes? twoz's this a 70 car.

bkmont
08-17-2011, 08:33:34 PM
Here's the stripes of my 70 Z28/RS that still has the original paint. It is a Van Nuys built car.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/miesmieser/DSC_1555.jpg
Nice Mieser3:bowtie:

ggtsvnv
08-17-2011, 09:11:18 PM
I know that were talking about second gens here, and this link is for first gens; but for the first gen cars the AMI was never changed over the three years and yet their were changes over the years in the stripe layout, and differences between LA cars and NOR cars. So my thought is as someone stated earlier that you need to find original examples of both RS and non RS cars from both plants and measure if you really want to be sure. It would be interesting research as I know I have seen all kinds of different layouts and I'm not sure which is correct. If people with original paint cars want to send me the info I would be will to keep a data base and see if we can come to a researched based conclusion. Here is the link to the discussion on first gen cars, which if nothing else is good reading.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8486.0

krabben1
08-18-2011, 06:19:34 AM
The posted dimensions are for a standard front.You would have a hard time finding the exact set back dimensions for the r/s.They would run parallel with the front.The standard is longer in the middle as shown by the set back numbers in the drawing.

boardog
08-18-2011, 09:27:25 AM
both the green original paint car and the blue car posted above have the stripes as shown in the aim, both the cars are r/s cars. so these cars have the wrong stripes?

krabben1
08-18-2011, 11:05:33 AM
The drawing I posted has different measurements for each side of each stripe in the front. The cars posted are even in the front,for r/s.
My drawing has the accurate front offsets for the standard front.

krabben1
08-18-2011, 11:09:26 AM
When I get home,I can show you what an R/S car looks like with standard stripes on it.Its a green car from ebay a few years ago.It clearly shows the difference in the angles of the metal front from standard versus R/S.

krabben1
08-18-2011, 02:55:00 PM
Here is an r/s with standard stripes.
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m369/krabben1/6972_3.jpg
See how the stripes mimic the standard fronts edge,not the r/s theyre on.

boardog
08-18-2011, 03:33:12 PM
thanks for the pic, it would really help to have the deminsions of the non r/s stripes. it would be difficult to lay out stripes using only a pic. anyone one have a old used stencil kit for the non r/s car to go by?

krabben1
08-18-2011, 03:34:15 PM
thanks for the pic, it would really help to have the deminsions of the non r/s stripes. it would be difficult to lay out stripes using only a pic. anyone one have a old used stencil kit for the non r/s car to go by?
Thats the dimensions I posted for ya from the 72 aim.It has them listed.

COPO
08-18-2011, 09:36:04 PM
Here's what I used for my 70 non RS.

These are for a Norwood non RS car. The rear is also for a Norwood car since the rear differs from both plants.
LA rear stripes are close to the Z28 emblem.
http://www.nastyz28.com/~copo/images/stripes_hood_dim.jpg

http://www.nastyz28.com/~copo/images/stripes_rear_dim.jpg

The rear stripe on the LA 70 Z28 did not go completely to the window chrome.

Here's Charleys car

http://www.1970z28camaro.com/body/0021.jpg

Norwood non RS stripes
http://www.nastyz28.com/~copo/images/DSC02062.JPG

http://www.nastyz28.com/~copo/images/DSC07603.JPG

david.carlton@s
08-18-2011, 11:01:00 PM
Did blue cars get both black and white stripes over the course of 70-73?

COPO
08-18-2011, 11:10:19 PM
Did blue cars get both black and white stripes over the course of 70-73?

Yes

Here's the info for the 70
http://www.nastyz28.com/~copo/images/doc_colour_and_trim_b.jpg

boardog
08-19-2011, 10:10:08 AM
i may not be seeing something but the aim stripe deminsions is what i used on the blue r/s car. on the stripes on the upper valance there is about a 1/2 inch difference in length from one side to the other [2.82-3.32 inches] the stripes on the non r/s appear to have a lot more than 1/2 inch difference in the stripe length from outside to inside. they also appear to go out a lot further on the valance. if there was 2 stripes deminsions, one for a r/s and one for a non r/s why does the aim show one for all 3 years? where is the second one? not trying to be a pain in the a&& just trying to figure this out.

Ricks72Z28
08-19-2011, 10:34:37 AM
Ken, I'll try to send pictures and dimesions off my 70 project- from what I can tell quickly is that the stripes on a Non- RS car go to the front of the header embem, and RS cars go approximately to the middle of the header emblem.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/ricks72/1970%20Copper%20Z28%20Project/DSCN1895-1.jpg

70 SS/L78
08-19-2011, 01:08:47 PM
Here are a few pics I have of an original paint, Van Nuys built, Non-RS, 1970 Z28. These are the best I have that show the stripes.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o12/trekk5500/70Zfront.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o12/trekk5500/70Zrear.jpg


I know this has been discussed before but notice how the stripes end the same as the stripes on Charlies car at the base of the rear window.
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o12/trekk5500/70Ztrunk1.jpg

boardog
08-19-2011, 03:56:37 PM
thanks for all the help. from looking at both the cars the stripes go out further on the valance than the aim is calling for. if you can get me close on some deminsions i can go from there. if any way possible lets see the difference in what the aim is calling for [2.82-3.32] and the stripes shown. maybe i can come up with a template of some kind for future reference. if anyone has an orig. paint car you might be able to lay some tracing paper down and trace the outline of the stripes.

boardog
08-19-2011, 03:59:42 PM
Ken, I'll try to send pictures and dimesions off my 70 project- from what I can tell quickly is that the stripes on a Non- RS car go to the front of the header embem, and RS cars go approximately to the middle of the header emblem.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/ricks72/1970%20Copper%20Z28%20Project/DSCN1895-1.jpg
this is what the aim stripes look like painted on, there is a noticable difference in the two. like i stated before, this is the only stripe shown in the aim
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/871809/fullsize/dscn0389.jpg

CamarosRus
08-21-2011, 06:53:05 PM
Ken, Do you paint the stripes OVER the BC/CC (Color) with Single Stage Black and White ??? .............then color sand and buff/polish the Stripe (an adjoining clear) ????

Gun = IWATA or SATA ?

69LM1
08-21-2011, 09:27:53 PM
Here's what I used for my 70 non RS.

These are for a Norwood non RS car. The rear is also for a Norwood car since the rear differs from both plants.
LA rear stripes are close to the Z28 emblem.

The rear stripe on the LA 70 Z28 did not go completely to the window chrome.



I thought I remembered a difference between the LA and NOR rear stripes :)

Rich

COPO
08-21-2011, 11:06:20 PM
I thought I remembered a difference between the LA and NOR rear stripes :)

Rich

I thought I showed the difference. My car is Norwood and Charley's is LA.

75fbody
08-22-2011, 04:56:28 AM
IIRC the "Camaro restoration handbook" has the differences and placements between RS and Non-RS Z28 Rally Stripes. I think the non RS stripes are angled more and or they go further down the header panel a inch or two more in relation to the header panel emblem. I'll dig up the book

al8apex
08-22-2011, 12:41:41 PM
Here are a few pics I have of an original paint, Van Nuys built, Non-RS, 1970 Z28. These are the best I have that show the stripes.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o12/trekk5500/70Zfront.jpg

NOTE THE DIFFERENCES in the original paint car above and this repaint:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/ricks72/1970%20Copper%20Z28%20Project/DSCN1895-1.jpg

also note that the repaint car ^ has the Z28 emblem placed oddly, as MOST cars do. I guess it is hard to figure out where it is supposed to be for some reason ... ?

boardog
08-31-2011, 10:30:27 PM
with no set in concrete demensions and just pics to go by this is what i came up with. they end right at the forward edge of the header emblem. seems like every orig. paint car has a little variance in the non r/s stripes.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/884850/fullsize/013.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/884851/fullsize/001.jpg

1970 gold
09-01-2011, 03:46:42 PM
with no set in concrete demensions and just pics to go by this is what i came up with. they end right at the forward edge of the header emblem. seems like every orig. paint car has a little variance in the non r/s stripes.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/884850/fullsize/013.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/884851/fullsize/001.jpg

sooooooooooo SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ricks72Z28
09-02-2011, 09:55:26 AM
Yep, need to move the emblem over a notch-good catch.