View Full Version : Street Tires for 2nd Gen Camaro - Recommendation


eeyankee
06-22-2011, 01:08:43 PM
I have a 1973 Z28 with M/T Sportsman Pro tires, L60-15. They are over 20 years old and need to be replaced. I am not looking to street race anymore but do more local driving.

I love the look of the M/T's, but now shifting my thought to radials as long as they still look aggressive vs the new cruiser look. Looking at Radial T/A's and M/T Sportsman S/T or even the ET's.

Any ideas on which tire maintains the best street race look and still hook up when I do decide to run it hard.

jthomas
06-22-2011, 02:06:58 PM
Welcome to Nastyz eeyankee!

I couldn't get the BF TA's in one of the sizes I wanted (295 x 50 x15) so I went with the MT Sportman ST's. Great tire! Balanced easily, wearing very even, and these things hook like crazy for a street tire. I have had BF TA's in the past and they are a great tire too, but given my experience with the M/T's, I will buy them again. Price is good too.

airtimehocutt
06-22-2011, 02:39:40 PM
best handling 15" tire for street driving is the firestone indy 500. best ride and quiet (cobra cars use them for the road racing and i will be using them on my 71 corvette). street drag radials are best for drag racing but will not be very safe on the street due to the low thread depth. MT developed a tire that some of the cobra racers were gonna try but i have not followed up on it since a year ago. they were more expensive than the indy 500.

airtimehocutt
06-22-2011, 02:42:31 PM
bfg tires offer no grip, that is what i have on my vette now. do a little search. there are alot of threads about this on inter net. 17" tires offer a ton of very good tires, 15" tires do not.

Shakedown
06-22-2011, 03:51:35 PM
I think anything over 15" on the 2nd gen Camaro's dont look right. I have BFG Radial TA's on my Camaro which has a rebuilt 350 40 over and fresh 373 gears. Traction hasn't really been an issue. I do have a limited slip in it though.

I think the radial TA's are a good tire for the price. I'm running 245 60 15 on the back and 225 60 15 in the front.

kenny77
06-22-2011, 05:26:00 PM
I think anything over 15" on the 2nd gen Camaro's dont look right.


Man, you need to get out more. That's what I've got to say about that.



Look at this 17" ride Nitroexpress has....and then tell me again how you love your 15" wheels and tires. Sorry but I'm not buying into that


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/nitroexpress/camaro013.jpg

DesmoEd
06-22-2011, 06:19:15 PM
Sry but I have to agree with Shakedown. Very nice early 2nd gen above - but it would look even better with some Z 15x7 5 spokes.

IMO, the late 70's cars with all the flares and graphics look better with 17's - just not on the early chrome bumper cars

Same reason I have 15x8 rallys on the vette

Shakedown
06-22-2011, 06:44:55 PM
I just like the original 5 spoke z28 wheels. We all have our own opinion though. I've seen plenty of 17s on 2nd gens on here. Sorry but they normally don't impress me at all. Ok let me put some chrome 17 inch wheels on my car.... harsher ride quality, a little better handling, more expensive tires, and heavier wheels.... Makes a lot of sense? The 15's look correct. White letters on 2nd gen tires look correct.

If that 2nd gen has a stock suspension, non lowered and thats how those wheels fit then ok yes they look good on it. I doubt he just threw those wheels on his car and called it a day though.

17's offer nothing that 15's dont. 17's may offer more drag radials. You can still find drag radials and slicks in 15's

We all build things our own way though

airtimehocutt
06-22-2011, 08:33:07 PM
white letter tires on 15" rims look good on muscle cars. kenny77 that car looks good with those wheels, but i think those wheels at 15" would look great also. i have bfg on my vette and not very impressed with them. of coarse it has a 489 stroker motor. but i was referring to road course traction more so than drag racing. nothing in the 15" range gonna be very good compared to newer 17" tires. it is gettin harder and harder to get 15" tires also. had to order some 295/50/15 indy 500 for my moms chevelle. tire shop only showed 5 in all the wharehouses. tirerack had the 255/60/15 indy 500 on back order till end of july a few weeks ago.

455 Formula
06-22-2011, 09:13:52 PM
I just like the original 5 spoke z28 wheels. We all have our own opinion though. I've seen plenty of 17s on 2nd gens on here. Sorry but they normally don't impress me at all. Ok let me put some chrome 17 inch wheels on my car.... harsher ride quality, a little better handling, more expensive tires, and heavier wheels.... Makes a lot of sense? The 15's look correct. White letters on 2nd gen tires look correct. If that 2nd gen has a stock suspension, non lowered and thats how those wheels fit then ok yes they look good on it. I doubt he just threw those wheels on his car and called it a day though.

17's offer nothing that 15's dont. 17's may offer more drag radials. You can still find drag radials and slicks in 15's

We all build things our own way though

Amen, brother..

I am old-school. Growing up, I was fascinated by the Riverside 500 cars my Dad pitted on and I still dig the open wheel - big rubber look. My car is set up more like a Herb Adams machine, with a few exceptions...

500 lb/inch springs, lowered 2.00" up front, urethane sway bar buhsings, PTFB sway bar brace, SPC adjustable UCA's with Howe Tall ball Joints and my patented bump stop mount, aluminum body, core support & bumper bracket bushings.

My custom alignment settings are 1/4°+ camber (LF), 1/4°- camber (RF), 3.5°+ caster (LF), 4.0°+ caster (RF) and .125" toe in. With me in the seat and a full load of fuel on board (140 lbs) both front wheels are right about 1/4°- camber equally. I feel as though this was a good compromise between tire wear and handling.

Rear suspension is stock with urethane bushings on stock (locking) shackles, urethane pads, lowered 1.00" oeverall and Gabriel Red Ryder's at all four corners. These stock shocks have turned out to be surprisingly stiff with the heavier front springs!!!!

For wheels I am using a set of 15 X 8 X 4" B/S Corvette Rallyes with 255/60R15's at all four corners. This time, I used a set of Cooper Cobras and I am very impressed with how well they balance and how nicely they both ride and handle. They are inexpensive and have the 'period correct' look that I like.

No modifications to the fenders, no rubbing and even with only 7/8" bumpstop clearance, I have never bottomed out, even over speed bumps.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/10851Man/Suspension/1InchSnubberToFrameClearance.jpg

The car doesn't look that low, but I have to pick up on the fenders about 1/2" just to get a floor jack under the crossmember.

There is a sweeping 35 MPH turns as you exit W/B SR 190 onto N/B SR 65 near Porterville, CA. This curve has killed a lot of people. I can set up a good line through this corner and take it at 75 MPH and never even get any tire squeal.

Here is a shot of the old 'Silver Bullet' right after I hung the front sheet metal, still sitting about 1/2" high up front and empty fuel tank:

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/10851Man/Suspension/FormulaLSView.jpg

Looks much better with a full tank...Robert

Z27LS3
06-23-2011, 12:59:54 AM
New 17x9 Year One 5 Spoke Rally Wheels (Z28 Wheels)
they look identical to OE z/28 wheels. are'nt these available
now???

Z28PILOT
06-23-2011, 01:18:28 AM
I like the vintage or Classic look of my Coker reissue bias ply Firestones. But, they are horrible handling things:screwup: . I think I'll buy a modern radial next time . BF Goodrich makes a decent looking 15" tire of modern construction .

kenny77
06-23-2011, 01:24:39 AM
New 17x9 Year One 5 Spoke Rally Wheels (Z28 Wheels)
they look identical to OE z/28 wheels. are'nt these available
now???

Year One has the right ones getting ready to be ready sometime soon now. They have my credit card on file and I'll post up when I get them on. I will have them powdercoated GM #11 to match.


Yeah you guys are right, it will probably look like sheeet but I'm doin it anyway. Bahhhhh..

Oh, and OMG! I might even lower the car a bit too.

My car now......15" W/ White letters = Boring they suck plain and simple

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t110/camaropigs2000/10e1.jpg

455 Formula
06-23-2011, 01:40:49 AM
Very cool...

BondoSpecial
06-23-2011, 01:42:36 AM
15s just look tiny (they are). I am running 15x8s on my 79 because I'm too cheap to buy 17" wheels though. Some day... It's hard to get a 2nd gen low enough for 15s to look right. I have front and rear hotchkis to get it down on the 15s.

kenny77
06-23-2011, 01:47:36 AM
I think it's very,very hard to get that raked look that makes these cars look so wicked with 15" rims. Know what I mean?

From what I've seen so far.

455 Formula
06-23-2011, 02:28:53 AM
I think it's very,very hard to get that raked look that makes these cars look so wicked with 15" rims. Know what I mean?

From what I've seen so far.

Raked???

I'm running 27.1" tires at all 4 corners with 27-3/4" from the front fender lips to the floor and 29.0" from the rear fender lips to the floor.

I hate the nose-down look. I have a fender FULL of rubber (and no rubbing) but I won't be 100% happy until I level the car out....Robert

eeyankee
06-23-2011, 09:09:53 AM
Thank you for the welcome...

Your car looks great, sits very nice. I have been gearing myself up towards the M/T's because of the same thing you mentioned, size options. I had the TA's years ago on another car and they never hooked up well, too much spin. You said these hook up well for radials?

I am looking for P295/50/15 on rear. I have 205's on the front right now but the M/T's don't come close to that size, the P225 is the smallest. Are they too wide in the front for yours?

eeyankee
06-23-2011, 11:13:35 AM
Man, you need to get out more. That's what I've got to say about that.



Look at this 17" ride Nitroexpress has....and then tell me again how you love your 15" wheels and tires. Sorry but I'm not buying into that


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/nitroexpress/camaro013.jpg

Car sits very nice on the 17" rims. I have 15" center lines, want to make sure my wheel wells fill up with tires. I think the M/T Sportsman S/T tires will work.

FatnLow
06-23-2011, 12:26:49 PM
I just bought a pair of these. They seem to have plenty of grip. I know they have a special drag class just for these tires.

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I just ordered a pair of Mickey S/R Radials.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MTT-6653/

I'll find out Friday at test and tune.

woody80z28
06-23-2011, 12:59:47 PM
I had the 15" "street racer" look with my M/T ET Street Radials on the back. It does look aggressive, and they do hook ok when you get on it, but they are not for cornering or the rain. They suck for both. Don't buy into the hype that drag radials are the best of both worlds. They are not as good as a true slick at the track or a regular radial on the street.

And FWIW, I just put on a set of 18s for the street, and I'll be using the 15s on the drag strip only.

http://www.motortopia.com/files/141/album_my_bitches/4adbbbd0a5a17/IMG_3402.jpg

kenny77
06-23-2011, 01:23:39 PM
^^^^^^^
Do they make those Dunlop GT Qualifiers anymore?

woody80z28
06-23-2011, 01:49:39 PM
^^^^^^^
Do they make those Dunlop GT Qualifiers anymore?
Don't know...they were on the car when I bought it, so they are at least 7 years old. Another good reason to pitch them...I couldn't be happier with the 18s now on the street.

eeyankee
06-23-2011, 07:59:01 PM
Welcome to Nastyz eeyankee!

I couldn't get the BF TA's in one of the sizes I wanted (295 x 50 x15) so I went with the MT Sportman ST's. Great tire! Balanced easily, wearing very even, and these things hook like crazy for a street tire. I have had BF TA's in the past and they are a great tire too, but given my experience with the M/T's, I will buy them again. Price is good too.


What size tire are you running in the front? 60 or 70 version.

455 Formula
06-23-2011, 09:02:40 PM
Since we got on the subject of tire sizes and stance, I wanted to post a photo and ask a few questions.

I lowered the front of my '75 with custom wound, 500 lbs/inch springs from CSS. My tires are 255/60R15's (27.1") all the way around on 15" x 8" x 4" wheels.

Right now, the car has a 1" rake.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/10851Man/Formula%202011/Stance.jpg

Everyone says it looks cool, but I think it looks better sitting level. I know custom rear springs would be best. However, I want to swap in some lowering blocks just to get the car down and see how I like it. Right now, $$$$$$ is really tight and new springs will have to come later when the piggy bank fills back up.

I know the car needs a block with a 9/16" locator and I would need to fashion some 1" spacers to go between the axle tube bracket and the spring plate. The question I have is, do we trash the urethane/rubber pads and bolt right to the springs????

What's the best way to use the blocks????

Thanks...Robert

camaro71/holland
06-27-2011, 11:01:52 AM
15s just look tiny (they are). It's hard to get a 2nd gen low enough for 15s to look right. I have front and rear hotchkis to get it down on the 15s.

Hotchkis leafs in the back + Herb Adams mod; Moog 5608 uncut in front: almost too low with all the speed bumps here. Waiting for my new VWW 17 inchers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/camaro71/Website/IMG_1879.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/camaro71/Website/IMG_1880.jpg

455 Formula
06-27-2011, 12:20:50 PM
Those dual mufflers are robbing you of a lot of ground clearance.

Those are the wheels I want on my 1975 Formula, BUT they don't offer them in a 15 X 8" with a 4" backspace; they only come in 4-1/2" backspace.

Running 27.1" 255/60R15's up front on a Firebird requires a 4" offset.

Normally, I run a Bassett 15 X 8 X 4" stock car wheel with 5/8 lug studs....Robert

455 Formula
06-27-2011, 12:21:52 PM
I dig that wide rocker moulding. The moulding on my 1975 Formula is narrow. I wonder if that wide one would retrofit my Pontiac???

Car looks cool. Dig the Motion style stripe..Bitchin...

camaro71/holland
06-27-2011, 12:44:51 PM
Those dual mufflers are robbing you of a lot of ground clearance.

Yep - gonna take care of that. This baby is arriving this week:

Dynomax Ultra flow X-pipe muffler
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/WLK-17554.jpg

Together with the Hedman (66104) headers I have laying around and new pipes stuffed as far as practical into the driveshaft tunnel - it will give me a lot more clearance.....at least that's the theory;)

455 Formula
06-27-2011, 01:15:03 PM
Nice. I wanted to go that route, but back in 2006, I got the Flowmaster kit (muffler and pipes) on sale from Summit, so I used it.

I like how quiet the Flowmaster is. But at WOT, it sounds like a late model IMCA dirt track car, with NO resonance inside the car and very quiet until you get on it.

My 6.9 litre GM Diesel fan clutch and 7 blade fan make more noise than the exhaust while cruising!!!!!

455 Formula
06-27-2011, 01:16:47 PM
Yep - gonna take care of that. This baby is arriving this week:

Dynomax Ultra flow X-pipe muffler
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/WLK-17554.jpg

That muffler has an 'X' insie of it. That means that exhaust gasses from left and right will have to intersect....I guess that would work OK though...like having a X pipe without all the headaches????

camaro71/holland
06-27-2011, 01:27:08 PM
That muffler has an 'X' insie of it. That means that exhaust gasses from left and right will have to intersect....I guess that would work OK though...like having a X pipe without all the headaches????

Yes, I've contacted Dynomax to ask if it's a true X-pipe and or it's wise to put an X-pipe between the headers and muffler - they told me not to do this, as it is a full X-pipe already and the pulses might interfere/disturb each other.

The biggest advantige is that I can use it as a transverse muffler and put it behind the axle where the stock fuel tank was. Even thinking about having the tips exit straight through the lower rear panel (under the bumper).....

455 Formula
06-27-2011, 01:49:58 PM
Sounds great then!!!!