I bought this 73 camaro rs and the vin off of the dash is missing. it has the sticker vin on the dooor and the trim tag. is there anywhere i can get a restamped vin # for the dash?? thanks for any help

In Pa., you could get a replacement state issued metal VIN plate that attaches to the firewall via screws. I know of some states that use decals. Check with the State Police in your state to see what method your state uses. And don't assume that the Federal label on your door is your car's correct VIN. That door could have been replaced from another car. Have the authorities, or yourself, check the partial VIN behind your heater blower motor in your car's firewall. This is the only true way to determine the true VIN for your car. Your state police could do this for you.

PS: you cannot get, at least in Pa., an actual VIN plate for your dash that looks like original. The state issued VIN plate is much larger and has other info on it also. The body ID plate on your car will not help you with identifying info as far as the FULL VIN is concerned. The car's sequence number on that plate will only place you in a "realm" of what range your VIN should be.


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I agree. The vin tag on the dash is the legal identification for the car in most locations. Messing with it or trying to replace it can get you chrome bracelets.

The only way to legally get a car like this registered in most states is to take it to the authorities for inspection. If they find the hidden VINs on the car do actually match, they will issue their own replacement VIN, and you are on your way.

If not, the car becomes no more than parts.

I offer this information to help educate to the fact that messing with VIN can get you in a big jam. Sure you say, so what I own the car and everything checks. Fine, I hope for you sake that is true. BUT, sell that car and if the buyer or subsequence buyer should discover something amiss. They may want revenge and it may come back on you. Many a person has been screwed over with these older cars with chopped up bodys, swapped VIN etc, My advice, no VIN on the car, DO NOT BUY IT, even if it a Yenko.

The 1984 Act also amended Title 18 to provide for criminal penalties for altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers (18 U.S.C. § 511); seizure and forfeiture of vehicles or components with falsified or removed identification numbers (18 U.S.C. § 512); trafficking in road motor vehicles or their components which have removed or falsified identification numbers (18 U.S.C. § 2321); importing or exporting any of a wide variety of motor vehicles, vessels, or aircraft that have been stolen or that have had their identification numbers falsified or removed (18 U.S.C. § 553). In addition, the 1984 Act authorizes the Customs Service to establish a regulation requiring that the exporter of a used motor vehicle, or used off-highway mobile equipment, submit to the Customs Service before exportation a document evidencing his ownership and containing the identification number of the vehicle or equipment (19 U.S.C. § 1627a).


FEDERAL SENTENCING GUIDELINES MANUAL

§2B6.1. Altering or Removing Motor Vehicle Identification Numbers, or Trafficking in Motor Vehicles or Parts with Altered or Obliterated Identification Numbers
(a) Base Offense Level: 8

(b) Specific Offense Characteristics

(1) If the retail value of the motor vehicles or parts involved exceeded $2,000, increase the offense level by the corresponding number of levels from the table in §2F1.1 (Fraud and Deceit).

(2) If the defendant was in the business of receiving and selling stolen property, increase by 2 levels.

(3) If the offense involved an organized scheme to steal vehicles or vehicle parts, or to receive stolen vehicles or vehicle parts, and the offense level as determined above is less than level 14, increase to level 14.

Commentary

Statutory Provisions: 18 U.S.C. §§ 511, 553(a)(2), 2321.

Application Notes:

1. Subsection (b)(3), referring to an "organized scheme to steal vehicles or vehicle parts, or to receive stolen vehicles or vehicle parts," provides an alternative minimum measure of loss in the case of an ongoing, sophisticated operation such as an auto theft ring or "chop shop." "Vehicles" refers to all forms of vehicles, including aircraft and watercraft. See Commentary to §2B1.1 (Larceny, Embezzlement, and Other Forms of Theft).

2. The "corresponding number of levels from the table in §2F1.1 (Fraud and Deceit)," as used in subsection (b)(1), refers to the number of levels corresponding to the retail value of the motor vehicles or parts involved.

Background: The statutes covered in this guideline prohibit altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers, importing or exporting, or trafficking in motor vehicles or parts knowing that the identification numbers have been removed, altered, tampered with, or obliterated. Violations of 18 U.S.C. §§ 511 and 553(a)(2) carry a maximum of five years imprisonment. Violations of 18 U.S.C. § 2321 carry a maximum of ten years imprisonment.

Historical Note: Effective November 1, 1987. Amended effective November 1, 1989 (see Appendix C, amendments 117-119); November 1, 1993 (see Appendix C, amendment 482).

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Wow. I guess I diddn't pay much attention to this post after I made it. The vin is missing due to a dash rust problem. The number behind the blower on the firewall does match. I have been checking around and I guess I am just out of luck on a factory appearing replacement. Thanks for the replies... as if anyone is looking at this post now?

I am looking at this post as VIN questions always interest me, as I did that at my real job before I retired. Good luck with your repair and state VIN plate replacement.

Thanks.

Anyone know how to obtain a VIN replacement in NY. Website info will help!!

Contact the NY State Police

Although if you have title in your hand and partial VIN matches up along with cowl tag, He should be ok, No???

i would think you could register it as a reconstructed or modified vehicle.

A lot of prostreet or street cars have the roll cage going through the dash right where the VIN is located. I have seen many of camaro's, chevelles novas with this setup and the VIN is totally missing!! I hope those people have matching titles in hand!!

also see alot of camaros with smoothed firewalls. how does that work out? especially the ones that are welded in.

What alot do in this state, Illegally, is never register their car and run on their buddy's dealer tags. Go to car shows and check out some registration plates!

I'm looking at a car right now in CA where the VIN tag was stolen off the car, but the guy has all the paperwork on the car. Anyone know how I can get the VIN tag replaced on a 67 camaro?

I'm looking at a car right now in CA where the VIN tag was stolen off the car, but the guy has all the paperwork on the car. Anyone know how I can get the VIN tag replaced on a 67 camaro?


The only place you can get that missing VIN taken care of is through the department that handles titling vehicles in California. Trying any other way to get around it can end you up in jail for fraud.
I don't know how California handles this, but you need to ask before you spend the first penny on a car without a VIN.

You can get a brand new state issue tag. As long as you have the title,it should be no problem. There is one potential problem thohg. If this is a hot rod or project car with no engine or trans,or worse yet a non original engine or trans,you might have a hard time getting it sorted out. First,they usually dont want you to go pulling the fender off to verify those numbers. Second if there is no engine or trans they are probably going to want to know where those parts are or they will brand the car as junk or refuse to do anything until the parts are in place,and lastly if the engine or trans have the VIN from another car they will want paperwork on where it came from.

If the car is so rusty that the VIN tag is damaged they are probably going to be hesitant about wanting to give you papers to register it.

Well all I know is the guy has paperwork and while the car was stroed they were stolen off the car

call the DMV where you plan on buying it OR registering it and ask them ...

call the DMV where you plan on buying it OR registering it and ask them ...

That is one of the things I'm doing today. The other is calling the CHP

Years ago I bought a theft recovery from an ins. co. with no vins, but had the pink. I took it to the CHP they verified the hidden vin with the pink and issued a new vin plate. Which was then registered at the dmv.

Years ago I bought a theft recovery from an ins. co. with no vins, but had the pink. I took it to the CHP they verified the hidden vin with the pink and issued a new vin plate. Which was then registered at the dmv.

You're talking the federal blue sticker VIN right?

Don't renember it being a sticker, It was a blueish metal tag they rivited on. I forget if it was under the hood or at the door jamb.

Don't renember it being a sticker, It was a blueish metal tag they rivited on. I forget if it was under the hood or at the door jamb.

Yeah that's what they call the federal blue sticker. Same thing they do when you build a custom car or bike. It hurts the resale value

What hurt more is that the dmv issued a salavaged title Though it was never wrecked. Then having to explain to all the prospective buyers when I sold it.

Yep that's what happens. That's why I'm not buying this 67 I just found after making a few calls today