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rscamaro73
03-22-2011, 10:01:21 PM
OK, so this may pertain to other vehicles as well...

I have this issue that when you put the key in the lock to start the car, it won't do anything, kinda like its the wrong key and won't turn...BUT, it IS the correct key. If you wiggle it and shake it and move it around, it eventually 'unlocks' and you can start the car. Also to note, the whole 'collar' where the lock mechanism is, it will move in a partial 'loose' rotation as you wiggle the key.

But does anyone have an idea of what it could be ? I have to fix this FIRST in order to get it to the inspection station for inspection.

Thanks.

Knuckle Dragger
03-22-2011, 10:06:22 PM
OK, so this may pertain to other vehicles as well...

I have this issue that when you put the key in the lock to start the car, it won't do anything, kinda like its the wrong key and won't turn...BUT, it IS the correct key. If you wiggle it and shake it and move it around, it eventually 'unlocks' and you can start the car. Also to note, the whole 'collar' where the lock mechanism is, it will move in a partial 'loose' rotation as you wiggle the key.

But does anyone have an idea of what it could be ? I have to fix this FIRST in order to get it to the inspection station for inspection.

Thanks.


Most likely a worn key, possibly a worn cylinder.

mudtrux
03-22-2011, 11:10:28 PM
See it a lot go to a former saturn or current gm dealer with you're title (so they can see proof and get the vin) and have a new key cut by the vin.

Mike N
03-22-2011, 11:10:59 PM
I think Lucas makes some lock cylinder restore lube, or if that doesn't work replace the oxygen sensor.

Twisted_Metal
03-22-2011, 11:59:30 PM
My wife has a 2000 Saturn... She's had to have the ignition cylinder replaced twice now. (The second one was just last week.)

Sounds like a farily common problem with them. :(

SupplySgt
03-23-2011, 12:00:28 AM
I think Lucas makes some lock cylinder restore lube, or if that doesn't work replace the oxygen sensor.

LOLOLOLOL :confused: :crazy:

BondoSpecial
03-23-2011, 12:05:50 AM
Haha on the POS 93 saturn i had for a little while you could take the key out while it was running and it kept going. Worn cylinder. Those cars are what I call "GM lite". They had some features ahead of their time (4 speed electronic trans w/ learning capability, variable assist steering on the earlier cars) in the early 90s but some of the parts on them are so breakably dinky.

327 BlackBird
03-23-2011, 05:59:18 AM
i vote for worn out cylinder. or possibly oxygen sensor. replace both and rotate tires for good measure.

Aceshigh
03-23-2011, 08:17:20 AM
Most likely a worn key, possibly a worn cylinder.

Samething I was thinking.

I think Lucas makes some lock cylinder restore lube, or if that doesn't work replace the oxygen sensor.

LMFAO.....God I needed that.

rscamaro73
03-23-2011, 09:17:50 AM
Thanks. I'll look for the Lucas stuff.

Internet searches showed some lock cylinders, some showed the ignition module that's there on the column. R & R of everything there would be a piece of cake....if I owned a 5.5mm socket. Seems that's the biggest complaint.

Even tried changing the fuel filter on the Tahoe - need a 16 adn 20 mm flare wrench. Sets only go to 14 then 15-17-19-21 :screwup:

Oh well. Reason to buy new tools is appreciated.

And I'll get an O2 sensor socket as well.....

Fawn
03-23-2011, 12:48:53 PM
It's the ignition cylinder/switch. Not a cheap part, Ryan's doing some research on where to get it cheap, PM him if you want. Not sure if it is the same part# for our vehicles but you can check with him. They all do this eventually, same with Cavaliers. I can't drive my 98 Cavalier anymore till we get it fixed because sometimes I can't muscle it to turn.

BondoSpecial
03-23-2011, 12:59:36 PM
Is it a part you can get on rockauto.com? The saturn S series is basically an import as far as parts interchangeability, almost nothing interchanges w/ any other GM cars

rscamaro73
03-23-2011, 01:24:12 PM
Rock Auto's part # showed this -

SATURN SC SERIES(2000 - 2002)
SATURN SL SERIES(2000 - 2002)
SATURN SW SERIES(2000 - 2001)
SATURN VUE (2002 - 2005)
SATURN VUE RED LINE 2004

Hmm....well, guess I'm stuck like everyone else. Gotta figure out the key situation with it as well (new or not)


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WELLS LS1061C Lock Cylinder


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MrAzzhat2U
03-23-2011, 03:43:33 PM
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2001 Saturn SC1 L4-1.9L SOHC VIN 8
Vehicle Level Starting and Charging Starting System Ignition Switch Lock Cylinder Technical Service Bulletins All Technical Service Bulletins Ignition Lock Cylinder - Key Binds/Won't Turn Service Procedure S - Series


S - Series


IMPORTANT: The important statement at the beginning of the "Ignition Lock Cylinder removal procedure on page 188 in the 2000/2001 Saturn S-Series Body/Electrical Volume II Service Manual is incorrect. Please cross out the important on that page and write in the following important statement.

IMPORTANT: When replacing the ignition lock cylinder only, the passlock relearn procedure is not required.

1. Disconnect negative battery cable.

2. Remove lock cylinder bezel from steering column shroud by carefully prying with a thin bladed screwdriver.








3. Remove shroud fasteners and remove steering column upper and lower shroud panels.

4. Insert key into ignition lock cylinder and rotate to RUN position.

^ If ignition lock cylinder can be rotated to RUN position, continue to step 30.

^ If ignition lock cylinder cannot be rotated to RUN position, continue with next step.


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5. Using a light hammer and brass drift, tap lightly on the top side of the ignition housing assembly at the location indicated in the illustration, while trying to turn the ignition key.

^ If the ignition key turns, proceed to step 30.

^ If the ignition key does not turn replace the ignition module/passlock sensor by continuing with next step.


IMPORTANT: If ignition module/passlock sensor is replaced Passlock relearn procedure must be performed.

6. Disable SIR system. Refer to "Disabling Frontal Inflators" procedure in the 2000/2001 S-Series Body Electrical Volume II Service Manual.








7. Remove SIR Coil assembly. Refer to "Roll Connector Assembly" removal procedure in the 2000/2001 S-Series Restraints Service Manual.

8. Pull steering column filler panel assembly forward and set aside.








9. Disconnect cable from filler panel. Pull hood release handle forward. Feed cable under hood release handle and slide pin out. Remove steering column filler panel.

10. Remove connector position assurance (CPA) retainer and disconnect connectors from lever control switch.

11. With SIR system disabled, remove lever control switch.

12. Disconnect ignition switch electrical connector at right steering column upper support bracket.

13. On vehicles with automatic transaxles, disconnect park lock cable from ignition module.

14. Disconnect passlock sensor connector from ignition module.








15. Remove ignition module/passlock sensor shear bolts.

15.1 Use a light hammer and a chisel to bite into shear bolt head at a position offset from its center.

15.2 Tap the chisel to rotate the bolt and loosen it.

15.3 Repeat until bolt is loose enough to remove.


16. Remove ignition module/passlock sensor from the steering column.








17. Use new shear bolts to install ignition module/passlock sensor on steering column. Torque shear bolts until heads break off.

18. Install harness clamps on steering column.

19. Connect passlock sensor connector to ignition module.

20. On vehicles with automatic transaxles, connect park lock cable to ignition module.

21. Reconnect passlock sensor connector to ignition module.








22. Install lever control switch by fitting into bottom locating holes on ignition module.

23. Connect connectors to lever control switch. Install connector position assurance (CPA) retainers.

24. Connect ignition switch electrical connector at right steering column support bracket bolt.

25. Pull hood release handle forward. Feed cable under hood release handle and slide pin in. Connect cable to filler panel.








26. Install steering column filler panel and data link connector.

27. Install and torque screws.

Torque:
Steering Column Filler Panel Fasteners: 2.2 Nm (19 in-lbs)

28. Install SIR Coil assembly. Refer to "Roll Connector Assembly" installation procedure in the 2000/2001 S-Series Restraints Service Manual.

29. Enable SIR system. Refer to "Enabling Frontal Inflators" procedure in the 2000/2001 S-Series Body Electrical Volume II Service Manual.

30. Rotate the ignition cylinder back to the ACC position.








31. If ignition module/passlock sensor did not require replacement, depress the locking button on the top of ignition module assembly with a thin pick-type tool. Slide lock cylinder assembly from ignition module.

32. Discard old lock cylinder assembly. New lock cylinder and components must be used. Refer to PARTS REQUIREMENTS section in this bulletin for specific parts information.

IMPORTANT: New lock cylinder must be coded. Follow steps 32 through 37 for coding procedure.

IMPORTANT: Ignition lock cylinder reads key cut positions 2 through 10.







33. Replace ignition cylinder, ignition cylinder tumblers. and tumbler springs.








34. Select the correct tumblers for the desired code by the number stamped on the tumbler.








IMPORTANT: Make sure the ignition cylinder housing side bar is in the correct orientation before attempting to insert tumblers.

35. Install tumblers and tumbler springs.

36. Place a new tumbler retainer plate into position and stake into ignition lock cylinder using Lock Cylinder Holding Fixture and Staking Tool J43877.

36.1 Clamp staking tool holding fixture into a vise.

36.2 Place lock cylinder into staking tool holding fixture.

36.3 Tighten retaining screw.









36.4 Stake retainer plate with punch at locations shown in illustration.

37. To check coding of cylinder, insert key. If coding is correct, side-bar will be flush with cylinder with key inserted.

38. For assembly, oil lock set with a light oil or graphite lubricant.








IMPORTANT: Actuator blade within ignition module housing must be in the ACC position to install lock cylinder assembly. If rotated, replace it to the ACC position using needle nose pliers.

39. Insert ignition key into ignition lock cylinder and install into ignition module.








40. Install steering column upper and lower shroud panels and shroud fasteners.

Torque:
Steering Column Shroud Fasteners: 1.5 Nm (13 in-lbs)

41. Install lock cylinder bezel.

42. Connect negative battery cable.

Torque:
Battery Terminal Bolt: 17 Nm (13 ft-lbs)

43. Verify proper function of ignition lock cylinder.











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rscamaro73
03-23-2011, 03:56:02 PM
Thanks Frank. Care to show me how to do all this ?? ;)

I'm still shopping for a 'more reasonable' replacement part cost.
Looking local if I can....but most places will have to ship from warehouse.

MrAzzhat2U
03-23-2011, 04:21:59 PM
Thanks Frank. Care to show me how to do all this ?? ;)

I'm still shopping for a 'more reasonable' replacement part cost.
Looking local if I can....but most places will have to ship from warehouse.

List from the dealer is $58.
Alldata won't let me post pictures,some kinda copyright deal.I would just pull the covers off and throw in a new cylinder.Rare to have to replace the housing.

rscamaro73
03-23-2011, 04:23:51 PM
Just ordered one online....out the "door" for $53 shipped.

I'll jump on it when it gets here in a week or so...never ordered from this place before - The parts Train...lol...out of CA.

MrAzzhat2U
03-23-2011, 04:27:53 PM
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Vehicle Level Steering and Suspension Steering Steering Column Service and Repair Ignition Lock Cylinder


Ignition Lock Cylinder


REMOVAL

IMPORTANT: If ignition lock cylinder is replaced, Passlock relearn procedure must be performed. Accessories and Optional Equipment/Antitheft and Alarm Systems/Service and Repair/ See: Accessories and Optional Equipment\Antitheft and Alarm Systems\Service and Repair



Disconnect negative battery cable.
Remove lock cylinder bezel from steering column shroud by carefully prying with thin bladed screwdriver.

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Remove shroud fasteners and remove steering column upper and lower shroud panels.
Insert key into ignition lock cylinder and rotate to RUN position. Then rotate the ignition cylinder back to the ACC position.

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Depress the locking button on the side of ignition module assembly with a thin pick-type tool. Slide lock cylinder assembly from ignition module.
INSTALLATION

IMPORTANT: Actuator blade within ignition module housing must be in the ACC position to install lock cylinder assembly. If rotated, replace it to the ACC position using needle nose pliers.








Insert key into ignition lock cylinder and install into ignition module.


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Install steering column upper and lower shroud panels and shroud fasteners.
Install lock cylinder bezel.
Reconnect negative battery cable.










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rscamaro73
03-24-2011, 10:04:56 PM
Part is in hand already...warehouse is in Edison, NJ :)

AND...stickers on the baggie say GM on it too :)

Knuckle Dragger
03-24-2011, 10:08:41 PM
Part is in hand already...warehouse is in Edison, NJ :)

AND...stickers on the baggie say GM on it too :)

What about an O2?

rwild1967
03-24-2011, 10:24:16 PM
And don't forget the hose clamps! You know, for that "factory look".

rscamaro73
03-25-2011, 06:59:37 PM
I need hoses to match the hose clamps.

This car runs off those newer CO2 monitors....they go in the exhaust pipes....

rscamaro73
04-06-2011, 01:52:32 PM
OK, I ended up with the wrong part. Ugh. At least shipping is fast to me from them ;) Trying to get this worked out now....only $21 more for the 'correct' part.

rscamaro73
04-06-2011, 02:14:48 PM
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HI ! You are connected to live help with Milo, How can i assist you today ?
12:43:32 PM Wayne
Hello Milo...
12:43:43 PM Wayne
I did some research after trying to install a part I ordered.
12:43:51 PM Wayne
I have the wrong part
12:44:45 PM Wayne
I do not know how I got the wrong part sent, or how it got 'selected' when your system shows the 'correct' vehicle I have. I have a 2001 Saturn SL1.
12:45:14 PM Milo
Order # ?
12:45:39 PM Wayne
It has the 'GEN 3' style ignition lock (longer than the GEN 2 style). There is a price difference. Order # xxxxx
12:45:56 PM Milo
What is the Year, Make, and Model of your vehicle?
12:46:46 PM Wayne
2001 Saturn SL1 . The correct part # I need is PART#: W0133-1799055
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What I have is PART#: W0133-1832022
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Please allow me to look into the information for you. Would you mind holding a moment?
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Shall i get all the details from the previous order ?
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All previous information is the same, including shipping and billing address.
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As well as payment type.
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Click on the above Link
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To place the order through pay pal..
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yes it is.
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This is your Quote Number: xxxx
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Enter Quote Number in "Retrieve Quote " box & Click "Go"
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Let me know the order #, once you placed the order.
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Order # xxxx
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I have set up the return authorization as per your request. All RA numbers are e-mailed in 2-3 business days with a return shipping address and complete shipping instructions.
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ok. Thank you. What else am I required to do for this ?
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The session has ended!

Will have new part in hand prolly tomorrow ;) Then just a lil bit of time this weekend to change it. Now to go fishin ;)

Devryn
04-06-2011, 02:27:00 PM
The similar issues I've had with my cars is because I will sometimes pull on the wheel when I get out out, locking the wheel. This always makes my key really hard to turn. Just a thought on something simple.

rscamaro73
04-06-2011, 04:03:37 PM
I wish it was that simple....they also have "torque to yield (aka break the head off) bolts that hold this mass of aluminum bracket to the steering column. THOSE BOLTS are loose....and the whole deal rocks. :screwup:

PLUS the ignition cylinder issue not trying to turn normally.

I'll get this fixed. Even if I have to buy my own dice.....:confused:

Mike N
04-06-2011, 08:54:39 PM
I wish it was that simple....they also have "torque to yield (aka break the head off) bolts that hold this mass of aluminum bracket to the steering column. THOSE BOLTS are loose....and the whole deal rocks. :screwup:

PLUS the ignition cylinder issue not trying to turn normally.

I'll get this fixed. Even if I have to buy my own dice.....:confused:

I remember imports with those TTY bolts in the steering column. To remove them, I'd use my whiz wheel to grind a slice in them, and then back them out with a flat blade screwdriver.

rscamaro73
04-06-2011, 09:50:13 PM
I remember imports with those TTY bolts in the steering column. To remove them, I'd use my whiz wheel to grind a slice in them, and then back them out with a flat blade screwdriver.

Yeah, that's what I found most people did. When I go to do the repair I'll do that and tighten them up a touch more. That wiggle is so annoying like something is seriously broke.