Alright - so the Camaro Nationals are moving.

We know april & the MCC is looking out for us, and the camaro community in general.

However: What "features" would we like to see as possible pieces of the event?

Some folks have mentioned
Bikini Contest.
Will there be a Kids/Womens spot?
Is there Wi-Fi access?
Local racing?
Burn out contest/area? Do we want/need this?
Chassis Dyno?
Space blocked out for "swapmeet folks?"

What other things would you like to see? I suppose if it's reasonable, feasable or appropriate, we could work that into the new event.

Saturday night BBQ. Or even a Friday night BBQ.

We are working on that - the BBQ idea. At the fairgrounds one night.....

I'm sure we won't have a burn-out contest - not if we want to keep our location. The fairgrounds is right in the town of Frederick, not on the outskirts or in the boonies.

There are two drag strips in the Frederick area - Mason Dixon and 75/80.

"NastyZ" plans on putting on A BBQ... both at camp nasty and saturday afternoon. Traditionally, this is for "2nd genners". or anyone who shows up and picks up a plate.

So I see 2 things here:
What do we want to see the show as a whole provide.

and what do we, as nastyz want to provide at this event.

We've always tried to have a "show within a show"... and we're already working towards that for 2011.

FOR ME... the only thing above that I'd suggest would be the womens/kids thing. Something of that sort to help family attendance. and wifi & the swapmeet area would probably be of some benefit. But you don't want the place looking like a disorganized flea market either.

Scratch the burnout idea.
I doubt the bikini thing is realistic too, but... you never know.

If there's no wifi - then someone from nastyZ needs to show up with a broadband card cause I don't have one.

I have no idea what the new looks like or how the show areas can and will be laid out.

I think promoting, advertising, staging, SELLING SPACES ($$$) to a good old fashioned CAMARO (only) Swap Meet and Car Coral, should be a natural at this show.

WE need all the paid attendance, all the vendor revenue, all the participation that can be gathered from whatever niche group we can attract.

WE need to advertise in Hemmings Motor news starting immediately. We need to send the show and new venue to every automotive magazine publishing company we can locate.

WE need to find web site vendors who will give us FREE advertising spots on their home pages. There must be people in nastyz28 who have this kind of knowledge. Even if a company wont give us $$ or product......somebody like a JEG's or SUMMITS or ECKLERS may well advertise the event.

WE also need to find a way to get this event on every CRAIGS list city with 1000 miles of Maryland. There has to be a volunteer system that repeatedly pastes an MCC approved ad week after week in the auto parts and Camaros for sale section of every Craigs list site.

An AUTOCROSS course! It's fairly easy to setup, semi-safe and it doesn't really cost much (rent some barriers and fence). Charge $15-$25 for a weekend long long pass and you'll make the money back. Just an idea, this weekends Good-Guys event got me hooked, hahaha.

I agree with chuck exposure of this event is absolutly needed ASAP. A poor turnout of camaros and people will affect the future camaro nationals. Also the layout of the complex would help to plan events during the show. I would suggest maybe 50/50 money raffles or some type Cash award for the class winners on the showfields. Also open show up to other cars to have a general show. More cars more people will be a major help.

We are working on the exposure/vendors/sponsors now.

This is the Camaro Nationals - and will remain a Camaro only event. We are not taking the GM Nationals along with us as it isn't ours to take. We also don't have judges to be able to judge the higher-end cars of different makes/models. Part of what makes the Nationals what it is.....is the exclusivity of the Camaro brand. If we open it up to all other cars, it becomes just another car show. That isn't what the ACA started.....

Sorry April your absolutly right about the camaro nationals. Keep it all camaro dont know what i was thinking.

That's okay, Ron. Sometimes you get going on an idea and your mind just runs amuck! lol

Let's be honest.... Owning a Camaro does not give you the right to enter a Bikini Contest.

http://i55.tinypic.com/1enkfr.jpg

No great loss for this event, IMO.


I'm confident the powers that be will pull this off successfully! :D

Might be a dumb question but are Firebirds allowed at Camaro Nationals?

I agree with chuck exposure of this event is absolutly needed ASAP. A poor turnout of camaros and people will affect the future camaro nationals. Also the layout of the complex would help to plan events during the show. I would suggest maybe 50/50 money raffles or some type Cash award for the class winners on the showfields. Also open show up to other cars to have a general show. More cars more people will be a major help.
50/50s and so forth cross legal lines. Here in NJ we cannot run one w/o a permit.


I've had a couple peole mention doing awards on Saturday afternoon and not Sunday.

Might be a dumb question but are Firebirds allowed at Camaro Nationals?
No!

You are welcome to bring your Firebird. You can enter for display only (non-judged), but will still be able to park on the show field.

Will there be music or some sort of entertainment? And I don't mean Terry's bikini contest entrants shown above!!!

Could we do any actual cruise say around Frederick at the end of each day? Maybe to our dinner destination.

You know, I've been thinking, April- You didn't have to kill Carlisle just to start being active here at Nasty again. A simple Wassup? thread would have been fine.:p: NBL.:D

You are welcome to bring your Firebird. You can enter for display only, but will still be able to park on the show field.I think this is a decent idea, that way Dale can bring the 76LS car.:) Plus, I'm dying to see Albert's TA this time next year, to see the progress, so I hope he shows.

And then Phil can bring his bad ass 3rd gen TA.

We are looking at having some entertainment - maybe some music and games. Still in the planning stages - that will come after we get some of the logistics nailed down such as vendors/sponsors, etc. to gauge just how much room we are going to need and how to lay out the show (depending on how much room we are going to need).

I love you too, Todd! :crazy: ;)

Keep the ideas coming - but please understand we may not have immediate answers. We want to keep it a family-oriented fun event. The ACA did an excellent job within the constraints put on them by Carlisle.

We've only had 2 weeks to find a venue and host hotel before the news became public. While we have an outline and guidance in place, some of the things are new to us all. We will work through them and keep everyone posted as soon as things become firmed up.

I forgot about Phil's 3rd genHere's the best link I can find to the place-

http://www.thegreatfrederickfair.com/Eventplex/rentalInfo.htm

What's onsite for general facilities, such as-

1. Do they have concessions that will run during the show?
2. How's the bathroom situation (this was a PITA at Carlisle, IMO)?
3. Giant club tents available, or do these have to be brought in? I wonder if we should move to one tent, rather than the ACA/MCC and separate Nasty (and/or other clubs, should they come) tents?

I see they have camping hookups, for the "big ballers.":) Truthfully, if Camp Nasty can get an electrical hookup for general use, that might be quite helpful to all the tent campers. Wonder if that's possible?

I see they have camping hookups, for the "big ballers.":) Truthfully, if Camp Nasty can get an electrical hookup for general use, that might be quite helpful to all the tent campers. Wonder if that's possible?

Don't worry,we KNOW how to improvise!!!

I forgot about Phil's 3rd genHere's the best link I can find to the place-

http://www.thegreatfrederickfair.com/Eventplex/rentalInfo.htm

What's onsite for general facilities, such as-

1. Do they have concessions that will run during the show? No, we will bring in our own concessions. Maybe we can get funnel cake, lol!

2. How's the bathroom situation (this was a PITA at Carlisle, IMO)? There are 3 bathroom facilities (buildings) in the show field area, one right next door to the building where the legends judging will be, and one right near the camping area that has showers.

3. Giant club tents available, or do these have to be brought in? I wonder if we should move to one tent, rather than the ACA/MCC and separate Nasty (and/or other clubs, should they come) tents? We are getting pricing from a few different vendors on the tents. There will be a tent for registration, one for the NastyZ28 group, one for the Long Island Camaro Club group - in short, we will have the same tents in place as we did at Carlisle. Any group that was at the Nationals last year and had a tent, will have the same size tent in 2011. As the groups all paid for their own tents, I don't see that as being an issue.

4. I see they have camping hookups, for the "big ballers.":) Truthfully, if Camp Nasty can get an electrical hookup for general use, that might be quite helpful to all the tent campers. Wonder if that's possible? Possible - there would be an additional charge for an electric hookup, but it's pretty reasonable. If Camp Nasty wants to share one, it might cost everyone a dollar or so to ante up for it. I think there's a hookup pretty close, but I'll have to check my map. I tried to plot those when I went out last week and measured the areas.

I like to build a fire when I camp. Carlisle doesn't allow that. Would this be allowed at the new location?

Probably not - but I'll ask. Usually they either light a citronella candle and sit around that, or put a camping lantern in the center of the circle.

If we don't ask, we don't get. Worse thing they can say is no.

We could not ask, and just duit, lol...

You could, but we don't want to have to find another place for 2012, lol.

I will ask. With some things it's better to ask forgiveness than permission. I don't think this is one of those......

One of the big things we wanted as a club was designated camping spaces for Nastyz28.com club members. Carlisle would NEVER work with us on this. They either made it first come first serve, which we did OK with, or they made it strict assignments.

If we could work out some sort of prepaid reserved group space for the club I think that would be a huge improvement.

The next time I go out there I will measure the area I kind of have in mind for the Nasty camping area. That was one section I didn't measure last week.

I have an area designated (at least in my mind) for Nasty and an area for everyone else.

How many non-Nasty campers were there? The information I have from last years numbers is that there were 44 total camping spaces paid for.

Any idea how much area we take up as a camping group? Or need?

No more Carlisle to deal with.....just Bud, Joe and me! I'm sure we can work SOMETHING out.....

Camp nasty needs to be configured so we can:

Camp/pitch tents.
Park equipment. Trucks & Trailers.

It should be near the showers/bathroom to accomodate the ladies & kids.

IF it has close access to a power drop AND DSL or wifi - that would be a bonus.

I'd say the priority is on being near the showers. and on level ground.

You've seen camp nasty in the past. We took up almost 1 whole row of the place. 1/4 of it was tents and the other 3/4 was overflow tents and parking.
I don't know what this translates to size-wize. I'll try and guestimate based on the old layout.

I have the top priorities covered anyway - flat and near the showers. I'm such a bad judge of distance - that's why I asked about size.

Hmmm - may need to run out there and measure the area I was figuring on for Camp Nasty - at least the main camping part.

April,
The spots at Carlisle were 10X30 and there were 8 spots in the back corner,so it was 40X60 from the road to the fence.Of course we had the overflow over on the other side also.I would guess that would account for another 8 or so spots.

Okay, the area I have planned for Camp Nasty is 165' x 62'. This is the camping area only. Cars and trucks/trailers could be parked right across the road from the tents. There is an electrical outlet in the camping area. Camp Nasty is separated from the rest of the camping by an access road that runs from he track to the stables, so we would have our "own" camping area.

I went back yesterday and measured, lol.

Okay, the area I have planned for Camp Nasty is 165' x 62'. This is the camping area only. Cars and trucks/trailers could be parked right across the road from the tents. There is an electrical outlet in the camping area. Camp Nasty is separated from the rest of the camping by an access road that runs from he track to the stables, so we would have our "own" camping area.

I went back yesterday and measured, lol.

WOW,that leaves enough room for a seperate snoring area! LOL!

Judging by the description and dimensions.... I think I know where April whipped out her ruler. ;)

Never mind......

Not quite - that's going to be part of the show/vendor field.

Terry - if you can give me the link to that picture you found, I'll try to mark off pertinent areas.....

Aw... crap. I thought I had it. :(

Use this one, April. (Google Maps)

http://i56.tinypic.com/kdmxrp.jpg

Okay - an artist I'm NOT - but let's try this one -

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w198/camarogal/Google-markedmap.jpg

Close-up of Camp Nasty -

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w198/camarogal/Google-CampNasty.jpg

^Good Job, April!!!! :D

I think that should work out well!

Depending on how many we get, we can keep everything contained. If we have a turnout similar to years past, that area will be camping and we can park vehicles on the other side of the road.

There is a slight hill in the back - near the electric poles. I didn't include that when I measured - just took usuable area.

Sweetness!

April,I know I have been on the negative side mostly because of the initial shock that the show will not be at carlisle,but if the camping area is better than carlisle that would be big in my decision to go.I would reserve 4 campsites at carlisle as they were 10X30 so I would have one big 20X60 as my trailer for my car is my camper also (it has living quarters also) and the trailer is 32 FT long by itself and the 20ft wide was nice to put up a ez-up and Grill area. What size will the campsites be and will any hookups be available or is self contained and generators permitted/required.

The area I'm planning on using at Frederick is pretty flat - more so than at Carlisle. The area I've set aside for Camp Nasty is 165' X 62'. There is a slight incline in the back of the area but I only measured the flat, usable area. There is also an additional camping area for everyone else close by.

We are looking to keep the camping costs the same as they were in Carlisle. There are a few electrical hookups in the camping area - only 1 in Camp Nasty itself, but there are more in the other camping area.

Because there were no hookups of any kind at the old location, I didn't really plan for any at Frederick, so I figured the electric was a plus. If you want to hook into the electric, there would be an additional charge of $20 a day. They charge us for every hookup that's used but nothing additional if they aren't.

Generators are permitted and I'm trying to find out if fires would be allowed. If they are, they would have to be in a self-contained firepit - like one of those ones on legs fully enclosed by screen as there are no firepits there. As soon as I find that out, I'll let you know.

At least give us a chance! We've worked very hard at finding a new venue and are excited at the challenge of doing this. Who knows - without having the constraints put on us by the old location, this could be at least as good, if not better than the old.

Bud - I walked the show field, camping area and additional spaces with a measuring wheel - and didn't encounter one cow patty! lol

The area I'm planning on using at Frederick is pretty flat - more so than at Carlisle....

Does that mean Mikey can't make the new guys sleep on the slope ;)

Well, if he wants to pitch the tent on the little hill - I guess he still can, lol!

Does that mean Mikey can't make the new guys sleep on the slope ;)

I promise to behave.. lol:D

I promise to behave.. lol:D

Is this the real Mikey?? lol

That wouldn't be any fun! :shy:

Is this the real Mikey?? lol

That wouldn't be any fun! :shy:

I did notice that we will be immediately adjacent to the track:innocent: :crazy:

Now, now - don't jeopardize our location for 2012, lol. However, you could make the new guys run laps.... hahahaha

Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts about the GM Nationals. I apologize for the stories and rumors currently circulating the internet regarding the future of the event and Camaros in particular.

I am the event manager of the GM Nationals and will share some facts with you. The GM Nationals is actually one of our fastest growing shows and we certainly want that trend to continue. Camaros are a large part of that growth with about 500 registered Camaros in attendance in 2010 (that does not account for the other 100+ that were display only Camaros). As a passionate Camaro owner and enthusiast I probably work a bit harder to make sure Camaro continues to lead the growth at the event.

I was in Vegas attending SEMA, the industry’s largest trade show when the ACA made their show plans public. By their own words, they have asked the MCC to present the Camaro Nationals for them in 2011 at a location other than the Carlisle Fairgrounds.

I was not able to respond sooner due to the time difference and my responsibilities at SEMA. However, after the news broke, I did have the opportunity to chat with a number of industry professionals representing manufacturers, sponsors, electronic media, print magazines and participants associated with the hobby. We have their assurances that they will continue to support our event both in the short and long terms.

Of those I spoke with at SEMA, all think it is unfortunate that the ACA & MCC chose to conduct their inaugural event on the same date as the GM Nationals. Making Camaro enthusiasts choose between two events is never a good thing. Rest assured there will be Camaros at the GM Nationals in 2011 and beyond. However, there will not be a Camaro Nationals presented by the ACA. Even so, we will continue to reach out to ALL Camaro clubs and enthusiasts to reassure ALL GM enthusiasts that the show will go on and be better than ever.

We are currently reviewing the show logistics with the entire Carlisle Events team, as we do every post-season. We are preparing Camaro classes for posting on our web site to facilitate registration. Don’t forget about our Gate-N-Go procedures allowing speedy entry to the grounds if pre-registered by the cutoff date. To register for the GM Nationals, or for more info and the most up to date news head to our web site (CarlisleEvents.com).

If you have any thoughts you would like to share, please do so. I will take them into consideration as we continue to plan the 2011 event. I recommend that if you want accurate, current and concise information that you contact me directly using the following resources:

My email (RickM@CarlisleEvents.com)
Office phone (717-243-7855 x124)
GM Nationals Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/GMNationals).

Thanks & please feel free to contact me at any time with any thoughts and/or concerns. Keep in mind we have all the features requested above.

Rick Markko

Too little,too late, people got mad,disagreements must have been too much to overcome between the two entities and now everyone loses.

There appears to be more to the move than disagreements over the venue. Over at the CRG site (and at other sites) there looks to be a bit of a personal rub that looks to have come to a head. Personal issues and allegations are surfacing now that seem to place a cloud over the stated reasons for the move. I would be weary of being played. The last thing I think anybody wants is to have the camaro nationals degrade to the level of a small regional level show. I guess time will tell. We will see.

This I can say - I have known Rick Markko for nearly 30 years from way back when he was involved with the local car clubs in Cleveland Ohio. He is a stand up guy. and has had major show promotional experience over the years. He knows what he is doing. For those of you that choose to stay with the GM nationals I am sure He will listen to you to get you the show that you would like to see. For the rest of you who choose to go to Fredrick best of luck for the success of your new show.:bowtie:

We could not ask, and just duit, lol...


you could bring that'' Tree if camp fires are aloud , lol....:crazy:

you could bring that'' Tree if camp fires are aloud , lol....:crazy:

Good news - fires will be allowed in the camping area in Frederick. Two provisions - 1) As long as we are not in a drought situation where the local fire marshal has declared no open burning, and 2) They must be in a fully enclosed firepit - like the kind raised on legs fully enclosed in screening. We can't dig holes in the grounds to build a fire in and all ashes, embers, etc must be properly extinguished and disposed of.

How many vendors have agreed to come to Fredrick??:bowtie:

Here is another thread: http://camaropacecars.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2510094833/m/4371011595

Rick has already been posting positive things about the new show there already.

April, nice post over at the CRG.. I am afraid that in effect "move along-nothing to see here" is not going to put out the fires however.

Ditto over at yenko.net. BTW.......

you could bring that'' Tree if camp fires are aloud , lol....:crazy:


Okay lol, I'll have to get my beater Ford driveable to bring some fire woodz! :p

Okay lol, I'll have to get my beater Ford driveable to bring some fire woodz! :p

I have a burning barrel with a mesh lid.. lol;)

looks like lots of drama flying everywhere based on the move. all i know is in the couple of years i attended I heard a lot of complaints from the pa show. I know for a fact from personal experince the security guys were a PIA! just jerks on power trips. I look forward to the change. Hell if we need another spot and it wants to get moved I personally know the General manager at the fair grounds in Manassas Va.

Long story short, the people that attend this make the show and it looks like most of the key players will be there. I look forward to seeing everyone at this great family event.

looks like lots of drama flying everywhere based on the move. all i know is in the couple of years i attended I heard a lot of complaints from the pa show. I know for a fact from personal experince the security guys were a PIA! just jerks on power trips. I look forward to the change. Hell if we need another spot and it wants to get moved I personally know the General manager at the fair grounds in Manassas Va.

Long story short, the people that attend this make the show and it looks like most of the key players will be there. I look forward to seeing everyone at this great family event.

Yeah, funny how everyone else can run a genset all night, year after year... except for the Nasty folks.

I'm just putting all that mess behind me and looking forward to next years show:innocent:

How many vendors have agreed to come to Fredrick??:bowtie:

I know Tom Henry is coming to Frederick.....:bowtie:

I know Tom Henry is coming to Frederick.....:bowtie:I wish they'd bring a significant GMPP presence, rather than just "5th gen Central." I'd like to browse and touch a bunch of the catalog stuff... Of course, GM themselves didn't even bother the last few years...

I'm sure many people want to know which side of the Carlisle/Frederick,MD fence, Scott Settlemire has landed on ???????????
Where will the G.M. corp cars and support go ???

I thought I read that Scott was getting reassigned?

He did get reassigned - he's not doing the shows any more. I think pre-production management is where his new position is.