Why is it that you can buy a complete rebuild kit for a 1st gen cowl induction Camaro but you can't find diddly squat for a 2nd gen air induction Camaro. please help previous owner saw fit to do away with everything and replace it with a crappy air cleaner that doesn't even bolt on just sits there rattling. I have looked but can't find any parts for my 80Z.:confused: :eek: :screwup: :( :mad:

The values of first generation Z28's are way higher than those of 2nd gens at this point, so there is way more available in the way of restoration parts on the market. I don't like it either, but that's the way it is. Post your needs in the swap meet forum here, and check Ebay. That kind of stuff is always on there.

Give it time.Things are swinging our way.

Economics. 250,000 1st gen "Z28's" with flush owners and plenty of opportunity for the ZL1 cold air induction.

The 1980 & 81Z... production is/was? 70,000 - so lots of used stuff floating around and not much of a repop market.

In otherwords... would you spend $1500 on an air induction setup if it was available? Nope, you'd go into this place's swapmeet and buy the setup for $50 like I did.

Yup.. give time grasshopper, give it time....

GREAT time all I gots is time lol thanks very helpfull.

Economics. 250,000 1st gen "Z28's" with flush owners and plenty of opportunity for the ZL1 cold air induction.

The 1980 & 81Z... production is/was? 70,000 - so lots of used stuff floating around and not much of a repop market.

In otherwords... would you spend $1500 on an air induction setup if it was available? Nope, you'd go into this place's swapmeet and buy the setup for $50 like I did.
I know you were being funny with the "Z28"s thing but let's square it up a bit...

Any '69 SS or Z/28 could be ordered with the special ducted hood, RPO ZL2 (a ZL-1 is an aluminum block, 427 car), RPO ZL2 was only offered for the '69 model year and was not available until well after the start of '69 production (Nov/Dec '68)...only 10,026 RPO ZL2's were sold in the '69 model year (and that would include 3,675 Z11 pace cars which all had them as part of the package). So, not tremendously popular in '69 (both of my '69 Z's were not ordered with it from the factory - in fact - most of the cars belonging to friends did not have them).

Having said all of that the "cowl-induction" hood became very popular as an add on and, indeed, became something of a 1st gen Camaro "signature" piece - just look on Ebay - especaily for Z/28 (I was once told that my X-77 code car was not a true Z because it didn't have a cowl hood). But while cowl hoods - both GM and not GM - were readily available the internals, for years, were not. It took a long time until one could go out and buy reproduction cowl hood parts (now you can buy the whole package).

You're dead on with your "economics" comment. As krabben1 says..."Give it time.".... people have been interested in restoring and hotrodding 1st gens for a little bit longer than 2nd gens.

If we play the numbers game then there should be good economic incentive for someone to make the cowl stuff for 2nd gens since the hood fits all 12 years of production (which equals about 1,936,869 cars) compared to 3 years of 1st gen production (about 699,138 cars).

What most people don't realize is that the majority of those 1st gens you see wearing a cowl hood don't have the internals - it's just the hood. For a long time the only guys wanting all the "right " stuff were guys restoring the 10,026 cars originally ordered with RPO ZL2 (or one of the '69 Z's ordered without - less than 20,000 cars - to make them "real" Z's)...now one would think that if that were enough market demand to get the 1st gen ball rolling the '80-81 Z's, with 88,409 produced, would be enough market demand (eventually) for reproduction of the 2nd gen cowl induction internals.

you can make the air cleaner with six cyl lid your current stock base and third gen rear hatch seal solinoid probl find sothing in a car with power locks to move flapper what eles is there

I went through this when looking for parts for a 67 Camaro back in 1978. I searched junkyards and found what I could. By 1990, you could buy a ton of parts from the aftermarket suppliers. The parts were not cheap, but if you needed them you could buy them.

I know you were being funny with the "Z28"s thing but let's square it up a bit...

Any '69 SS or Z/28 could be ordered with the special ducted hood, RPO ZL2 (a ZL-1 is an aluminum block, 427 car), RPO ZL2 was only offered for the '69 model year and was not available until well after the start of '69 production (Nov/Dec '68)...only 10,026 RPO ZL2's were sold in the '69 model year (and that would include 3,675 Z11 pace cars which all had them as part of the package). So, not tremendously popular in '69 (both of my '69 Z's were not ordered with it from the factory - in fact - most of the cars belonging to friends did not have them).

Having said all of that the "cowl-induction" hood became very popular as an add on and, indeed, became something of a 1st gen Camaro "signature" piece - just look on Ebay - especaily for Z/28 (I was once told that my X-77 code car was not a true Z because it didn't have a cowl hood). But while cowl hoods - both GM and not GM - were readily available the internals, for years, were not. It took a long time until one could go out and buy reproduction cowl hood parts (now you can buy the whole package).

You're dead on with your "economics" comment. As krabben1 says..."Give it time.".... people have been interested in restoring and hotrodding 1st gens for a little bit longer than 2nd gens.

If we play the numbers game then there should be good economic incentive for someone to make the cowl stuff for 2nd gens since the hood fits all 12 years of production (which equals about 1,936,869 cars) compared to 3 years of 1st gen production (about 699,138 cars).

What most people don't realize is that the majority of those 1st gens you see wearing a cowl hood don't have the internals - it's just the hood. For a long time the only guys wanting all the "right " stuff were guys restoring the 10,026 cars originally ordered with RPO ZL2 (or one of the '69 Z's ordered without - less than 20,000 cars - to make them "real" Z's)...now one would think that if that were enough market demand to get the 1st gen ball rolling the '80-81 Z's, with 88,409 produced, would be enough market demand (eventually) for reproduction of the 2nd gen cowl induction internals.

good points all...can't argue that logic one bit.
99.9% of all '69's came with flat hoods,ZL-2 hood was almost always added after the fact.