View Full Version : L78 Semi-resto project.....
MagicRatt 04-12-2008, 02:39:32 PM Well, after 3 years of talking and blowing steam, I have finally pulled the trigger and begun the transformation on my L78 from bracket racer to car show, cruise night invader. I have no idea how far I am going with this or what the end result will be, but with no set deadlines to meet, I figure it will be done when a gallon of premium pump gas is either no longer available or will cost about 7 bucks a gallon. Here are a few of the very first pics.
Original motor and heads in race trim, just before teardown.......
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Always smiling for a photo op.......
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Work has begun......
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The tag.......
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Need a lift????
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A little blurry..........TO226CKO
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MagicRatt 04-20-2008, 11:52:36 AM After spending last weekend prepping the car for engine removal...........
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The project continues on...only real casualty was a small scratch on the firewall from the transmission tailshaft as the engine was removed. Other than that, the day was a success.
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gordonquixote 04-20-2008, 12:05:49 PM Just leave the engine around back - I'll pick it up. You did say $500, right?
Wow - can't believe that the rarest of the 2nd gens was a bracket racer! Nice car.
MagicRatt 04-20-2008, 12:23:37 PM Just leave the engine around back - I'll pick it up. You did say $500, right?
Wow - can't believe that the rarest of the 2nd gens was a bracket racer! Nice car.
Had a blast.......raced points at E-town back in 2002 until I had an accident with my private car. Also raced in 2004 season in a heads up division at Atco, NJ. I have an E-town pic somewhere around here..........most of the 23 years I owned the car I raced it at nostalgia events during the season and an occasional street race back in the 80's........
Rich
Ls1smlblck 04-20-2008, 12:55:19 PM very nice
MagicRatt 04-20-2008, 01:04:32 PM Englishtown Summer 2002..........
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Atco 12.00 Index race 2004
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72BIGBLOCK 04-20-2008, 01:46:58 PM cool looking car..
MagicRatt 04-26-2008, 09:29:20 PM Some disassembly required....
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I promised there would be no fingerprints on the table.....
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Factory windage tray..........
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Head casting dates....L 6 9 L 8 9
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KJZ28 04-27-2008, 12:35:38 PM That is a sweet car and sweet motor!!! Keep the pics coming! Classy looking!
spoonLT1355 04-27-2008, 04:24:57 PM and an occasional street race back in the 80's........
Rich
And at least once in the 2000's that I witnessed against a 69 Camaro :p
MagicRatt 04-27-2008, 06:43:52 PM And at least once in the 2000's that I witnessed against a 69 Camaro :p
LOL....yeah, that pesty orange one I bet
MagicRatt 04-27-2008, 06:52:25 PM Halfway there.......damn those heads are heavy!!
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BTTB71SS 04-27-2008, 07:54:52 PM Just leave the engine around back - I'll pick it up. You did say $500, right?
Wow - can't believe that the rarest of the 2nd gens was a bracket racer! Nice car.
Gordo you would say that wouldn't you.:eek:
SWWWWeeeeetttttttt car by the way:)
spoonLT1355 04-28-2008, 09:26:55 PM LOL....yeah, that pesty orange one I bet
How did you guess ?? :D
That left a lasting impression as to the big block power.
MagicRatt 05-31-2008, 04:51:51 PM front end removal....
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VIN location on block.....extremely blurry
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smorgan 06-04-2008, 11:14:48 AM Hey Rich the car is looking good! DId you yank the motor mainly for piant? I liked the silvery finish, but for a resto I can see your point.
Sean
71 Z27 LS3 06-04-2008, 05:22:31 PM Thats a really nice car, good luck.
Im subscribed.
Seeing your car has given me renewed motivation to continue on with mine.:cool:
Magnus 06-04-2008, 05:49:10 PM This is going to be an interesting thread.
Keep us updated.
Magnus
MagicRatt 06-04-2008, 06:19:52 PM Sean, I yanked the motor mainly to paint it the correct color and swap out the crane cam and go back to the factory L-78 cam. Now that it is apart i am going to re-ring and re-bearing the bottom end. The color now is simply a cast iron color.
71Z27LS3....Thanks!! I am hoping to keep my motivation going thru the summer so I can cruise this little gal in the fall sometime.
Magnus.....stay tuned. I be removing the uppers and lowers soon to replace the "racing" bushings with factory ones. I can't wait to fix the firewall either............my favorite
Rich
rscamaro73 06-08-2008, 12:28:32 PM Lookin good bro.
Can't wait for the finished product :)
Plus I didn't know you owned the car for that long....wow.
MagicRatt 07-20-2008, 01:14:00 PM almost ready for paint......
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Casting date.........
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underside ready for some paint and assembly....
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MagicRatt 04-26-2009, 10:57:29 PM It's been almost a year and I haven't touched my project. I finally had a chance today to figure out where I left off and what I am going to be looking for. After todays disassembly project, I have determined I will be looking for a big block core support for starters. Anyone???
MagicRatt 06-20-2009, 01:43:12 PM Still taking things apart.....the more I do, the more things I find to fix.
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The front end sheetmetal scattered all over the back yard.......
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MagicRatt 05-18-2010, 06:48:21 PM Making a little progress here and there...........some small repair and paint work done to the firewall
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A cam swap and some chevy orange paint completes my weekend work.....
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MagicRatt 07-04-2010, 09:13:06 PM I got around to putting in a few hours in this weekend. I been putting this job off for a few weeks. I hate detailing boosters:mad: :mad:
Stripping the old...........
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Dull aluminum base applied..........
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The finish color added...........
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GRAFX72 07-04-2010, 09:19:57 PM the motor looks sweet keep up the good work.
Carbon Camaro 07-07-2010, 10:24:55 AM super nice car man. i just turned my car from a pos to a decent race car ( bad gaps ets.) it makes me appreciate the hard work it takes to restore a car perfect or better than perfect. get er' done!
MagicRatt 07-19-2010, 06:11:05 AM heater box assembly finally in.....:confused: :confused:
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pedal assembly and some wiring harness work done......:eek: :eek:
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I finished the tail panel last week and forgot to snap the pics........:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Blu-By-U 79Z 07-20-2010, 12:41:42 AM Looks AWESOME! The car looks great already. That tail panel make it look SINISTER!
5spd540 07-20-2010, 03:28:39 AM Looking good
MagicRatt 07-31-2010, 11:41:10 PM I been wanting to get the motor and trans in the car now for a few weeks. Finally a nice day, not one of those 106 degree deals that have been clobbering the area. If I accomplished anything, I made some room in the garage........
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Not so bad, just a little "creative rattle can" work to do and it's on to the next job.........
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MagicRatt 08-03-2010, 10:37:23 PM With the front clip removed from the car, it sure makes balancer and pulley assembly so much easier. The balancer is finished and ready for install. As soon as I locate a crank pulley, I can begin assembly of the front of the motor:happy: :happy:
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blades67 08-04-2010, 01:28:26 AM Awesome work so far!
I know what you mean when you say the more you remove from the car the more work you find. My engine and transmission swap turned into an engine and transmission upgrade that has ground to a halt. The heat out here isn't helping my motivation much either.
I'm subscribed to this thread to help keep myself motivated.
dkcamaro 08-04-2010, 07:18:45 AM I been wanting to get the motor and trans in the car now for a few weeks. Finally a nice day, not one of those 106 degree deals that have been clobbering the area. If I accomplished anything, I made some room in the garage........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/MagicRatt/1970%20SS%20L-78%20Camaro/DSCF2422.jpg
Not so bad, just a little "creative rattle can" work to do and it's on to the next job.........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/MagicRatt/1970%20SS%20L-78%20Camaro/DSCF2426.jpg
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What kind of transmission case is that?? I like the heavy duty ears on it
MagicRatt 08-04-2010, 10:58:34 AM What kind of transmission case is that?? I like the heavy duty ears on it
That is the M-22 Supercase by Autogear in upstate NY. I bought it new back in 03 or 04. Heavy duty case, cast iron mid-plate, 26 spline input, 32 spline output, it's a nice box.
MagicRatt 08-05-2010, 02:08:07 PM I needed to do some parts organizing this morning:confused: :confused: so i went thru my baggie stash of small parts to see what I was missing....
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...so far, still missing some stuff!!!
I got to do a little work on the front of the motor this morning. Once I get the crank pulley and lower radiator hose, I can hoefully wrap this part up and bolt on the radiator support. My goal is to fire this thing before Sept. 24th!!
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Still trying to decide on hunting down the correct manifolds, or just pop on a new set of headers.........
MagicRatt 11-06-2010, 05:16:11 AM went with a new set of Hooker 2217's.......and we're almost ready for fire!!
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Just need a little more water and some spark plugs.......can't believe I lost a set of plugs:mad: :mad: :screwup: :screwup:
MagicRatt 11-06-2010, 05:20:06 AM Motor is completely stock with the exception of headers, ignition, and rocker arms.......
onebad71 11-06-2010, 05:56:13 AM shes looking great
MagicRatt 04-17-2011, 05:31:40 PM Finally swapped out the Mallory ignition for a stock delco point distributor. Had trouble locating my old tach and dwell meter though............Pics to come soon on the most recent progress
Rich
gpm6367 04-21-2011, 01:38:12 PM Finally swapped out the Mallory ignition for a stock delco point distributor. Rich
But a little confused on your intentions, as I thought you were going OEM...if going with the headers and moroso valve covers why swap out the ignition for points?
Don't get me wrong...I would be going totally OEM...and the repop exhaust manifolds are a nice fit:
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I replaced my headers when I did the exhaust over.
Are you taking the car to the L78 display in Nov. at MCACN?
MagicRatt 04-21-2011, 06:11:25 PM But a little confused on your intentions, as I thought you were going OEM...if going with the headers and moroso valve covers why swap out the ignition for points?
Don't get me wrong...I would be going totally OEM...and the repop exhaust manifolds are a nice fit:
I replaced my headers when I did the exhaust over.
Are you taking the car to the L78 display in Nov. at MCACN?
Moroso covers are gone, Mallory ignition is gone, but I elected to keep the headers. I shopped a few months for the correct manifolds and then decided on a new set of headers. I am still struggling with some health issues so I won't be attending in Nov. I just hope to have the car back together by then. I should have some pics up by the weekend of the engine bay. Right now I have some repop valve covers in place along with a factory delco distributor.
Rich
hoov81 04-22-2011, 09:36:53 AM Nice build Rich
70ZED 04-22-2011, 10:04:46 AM great car and thread ! Build it the way you want, nobody else matters !!
MagicRatt 04-22-2011, 03:32:09 PM Repop covers and Delco distributor......
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I have a few things hooked up so I can run the motor and gently move the car when I need to. Beats pushin' it!!
MagicRatt 04-22-2011, 03:36:10 PM Next up is to get the brakes working and re do the inner wheelhouses. Also need to shorten up heater hoses and rewire alternator and a few other minor fixes............as soon as the damn weather warms up around here.
krabben1 04-22-2011, 05:01:05 PM Next up is to get the brakes working and re do the inner wheelhouses. Also need to shorten up heater hoses and rewire alternator and a few other minor fixes............as soon as the damn weather warms up around here.
Looks good Rich.I wish mine would move under its own power:( lol.
newfzee 04-22-2011, 06:40:39 PM Are you the same MagicRatt that drove his sleek machine over the Jersey State Line?
Nice L78.:D
Z28PILOT 04-22-2011, 06:57:01 PM This is great thread , thanks for sharing !!!
MagicRatt 04-23-2011, 11:08:56 AM Are you the same MagicRatt that drove his sleek machine over the Jersey State Line?
Nice L78.:D
LOL........spent many a nights out cruizin' in this ride across the jersey state line..........me and the BOSS!!
Rich
newfzee 04-24-2011, 02:26:45 PM Yeah, hammering a 4-speed in a Camaro without some Springsteen is just sacrilege. How long you had that car?
Nice one to bring to MCACN in November - that's going to be a historic event for 70 L78s
MagicRatt 04-24-2011, 06:57:44 PM Yeah, hammering a 4-speed in a Camaro without some Springsteen is just sacrilege. How long you had that car?
Nice one to bring to MCACN in November - that's going to be a historic event for 70 L78s
I bought the car back in the summer of 1985. I was 19 and spent many an early morning driving home from a night of street races in south philly with Bruce. Locals will know the area well. Front street, JFK, meadows, delaware ave. so on..........One tank of fuel down, one tank cruizin' around, and another tank to get home, back when you could buy sunoco ultra 94 for about a 1.20 a gallon, and oh yeah, springsteen cassettes all over the floor. The good old days.............
Would like to make MCACN but health issues and lack of employment are keeping me away................this year.
Rich
krabben1 04-24-2011, 08:18:52 PM I bought the car back in the summer of 1985. I was 19 and spent many an early morning driving home from a night of street races in south philly with Bruce. Locals will know the area well. Front street, JFK, meadows, delaware ave. so on..........One tank of fuel down, one tank cruizin' around, and another tank to get home, back when you could buy sunoco ultra 94 for about a 1.20 a gallon, and oh yeah, springsteen cassettes all over the floor. The good old days.............
Would like to make MCACN but health issues and lack of employment are keeping me away................this year.
Rich
I was there two,lol.Same timeframe.I used to hang more down the airport though(my neighborhood)
MagicRatt 04-26-2011, 12:01:13 AM FENDERWELLS!!!!! :( :(
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MagicRatt 05-09-2011, 04:58:54 PM I managed to get the inner fenderwells installed before stepping in a rut and rolling my right ankle...............again!!!!
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.......and yet another piece is off the floor and back on the car. WOOHOO!!!:bowtie: :bowtie:
MagicRatt 05-09-2011, 05:00:58 PM Next job is to shorten up the heater hoses, do some minor re-wire, and install aftermarket fan shroud......
MagicRatt 06-06-2011, 03:41:11 PM Figure I would try some paint work and fix up the cowl area........
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Tried using another flavor this time........."Low Gloss Black"
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MagicRatt 08-12-2011, 01:57:10 PM Slow but steady progress putting this car back together. I was hoping to have it done by the end of summer but not quite there. Maybe springtime.
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I'll see how far I get next week........
MagicRatt 09-02-2011, 07:10:34 PM Green machine gets some lovin'..........
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Hopefully she's got one shine left on her...........
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Nice thing about this part of the job is that I am running out of parts to put on the car and have more room in the garage to move around. Grille finally installed...............next job is to fix the turn signal light and install front bumper.............yeeeee haaaaaa!!!
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MagicRatt 09-10-2011, 04:47:41 PM ...installed!!!
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Just need to get headlights adjusted and install the trim and up on jackstands we go........
MagicRatt 09-10-2011, 04:52:00 PM I was there two,lol.Same timeframe.I used to hang more down the airport though(my neighborhood)
How I miss those summer nights street racing in the 80's.......:cool: :cool: Different time, different place.......
71SS396M22 09-10-2011, 11:57:05 PM Wow - can't believe that the rarest of the 2nd gens was a bracket racer! Nice car.
What exactly is the rarest 2nd gen?
FRANKP74Z 09-11-2011, 08:24:24 AM What exactly is the rarest 2nd gen?
Boy! This could be a thread in it's self. Rare also needs to be clarified. A 1967 with a 6 cylinder and a bench seat with a column shift is "rarer" than an SS 350, but which one would you rather have?
DarrenX33 12-08-2011, 08:14:59 PM What exactly is the rarest 2nd gen?
L78 is the rarest RPO of the 70-73. Including non-RPO a COPO optioned 70 is also rare.
GREAT THREAD!! Where have I been???? :bowtie:
Jon N. 12-08-2011, 11:28:09 PM And a 70 L78 Camaro with a factory turbo 400 is the most rare of all.
hucks 70 12-09-2011, 12:31:22 AM gonna be nice.
DarrenX33 12-09-2011, 08:54:41 AM And a 70 L78 Camaro with a factory turbo 400 is the most rare of all.
I would agree! :bowtie:
I had a discussion with Jim Mattison at MCACN about the TH400 in the L78. While he couldn't give a definitive yes or no, he could not imagine why it would have never been offered for the car considering it was available for other HP models which required a HP tranny.
MagicRatt 05-05-2013, 03:50:28 PM Need to resurrect this thread and project again. I hope to her back on the road by the end of summer.:cool: :cool:
THNDER 05-05-2013, 03:53:40 PM What's goin on Rich?
MagicRatt 05-05-2013, 03:57:24 PM What's goin on Rich?
Got married, had a son, got another due in 4 weeks, and realized I was losing my car and garage to the laws of nature. Almost had a panic attack when I realized I had mice running track meets on my dashboard.
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