I finally had time to mess with the car, been so busy working on the customers cars.

I bought the quarterpanel for my car 8 months ago and then bought a new bike and havent really messed with it much since.. This weekend I finally messed with it again..

I will post pics in here when I take them..

I finally cut the old quarter off and now I just ordered the trunk extensions and patch panels for the passenger side..

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I should have the panels within the week and then more cutting and welding.. :D

looks good

I wish the guy that owned it before me didnt try to repair it, because everywhere he put body filler it started to rust through.. Here is a pic of some of the filler he put on the quarter I just cut off..


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WOW!!!!

There must be a half gallon of bondo there. Not the worst I've seen but still really bad.

Yep had that much bondo on the one i am working on now, both rear quarters were like that

Ugh, if it wouldnt have been for that idiot trying to fix it I wouldnt be having to buy a new trunk extension for that side..

Look at all that mud would ya!!!

While im waiting on the patch panels, I figured I would do the stuff I can make here.. I had some cancer under the windshield from the guy not adjusting the driver and passenger window correctly.. So I made the patch for the driverside tonight..

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I will sandblast and POR15 all the stuff under the patch ofcourse..

Finished up the winshield patch..

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very nice work ..keep us posted

nice work........i wish i could do body work, i could save a ___load of money......

yeah, but this car is going to cost me a good 30,000 to build I beat you.. :(

yeah, but this car is going to cost me a good 30,000 to build I beat you.. :(

ha, by the time i'm done(who knows when that will be), i'm sure i will be up around that too,

Great work michael. those pics have given me a great insight to anyone needing to do the same repairs as you. well done mate

I fix the rust on the other side of the windshield today.. I cant believe I actually did this today when I have a fever and a sore throat, but I told myself I would get it done today.. :(

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I think this side turned out better then the other side, I need to work sick more often..

Time to update.. :D

I got the patch panels in and started into it..

I got the quarter to fit right..
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reshaped the rear body panel to where it was like the other side.
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Cut the old truck ext pan off and mocked up the new one..
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Welded the new one on and put seam sealer on..
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and then POR15 the whole thing..
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Might get the quarterpanel on there this weekend.. :D

Quarter is on, pic to come soon..

nice work

Looking good!! great job on the patch panels on the cowl. I need to get me a welder..

Good luck with your project !!!!!!! Feels good to be making progress I'd bet..............:bowtie:

Good luck with your project !!!!!!! Feels good to be making progress I'd bet..............:bowtie:

Yes it does, I cant wait to get more done to it..

Quarter Panel is on.. Im waiting for the sun to stop baking me so I can grind the welds down.. :D

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You can see where I was having issues with the wind blowing the gas away for the welder.. :mad:
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Ground down the welds and put All-Metal on the sail and then did some bodywork and primed.. This was just a skim coat, didnt need to do it but I figured I would to get any imperfection out. then it decided to make it look like it was going to rain and since im doing my car outside because all the customers car are taking up all the room inside I had to hurry and I didnt sand some spots enough.. I will go back over it tomorrow and then reprime.. :(

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Looks good, nice work ;)

Good to see another second gen get saved......

Like they say on whatever the hell show it is "don't crush em, restore em" ;) :bowtie: ;)

Looks good, nice work ;)

Good to see another second gen get saved......

Like they say on whatever the hell show it is "don't crush em, restore em" ;) :bowtie: ;)

That would be either Car Crazy or My Classic Car.. :D

That would be either Car Crazy or My Classic Car.. :D

Yer right... My Classic Car :D

Yer right... My Classic Car :D
What do I win?? :confused:

Looks good. How was the other quarter?

The quarter I took off of this side was smashed in a good 3 inches( then the idiot tried to fix it, which is why I didnt even try to fix it) and the quarter on the passenger side has the usual rust in the bottom of the rear section and a little in the front by the door..

Did the rear passenger side patch on the quarter..

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Nice work Throttle.
Hey lemme ask you a couple questions on body work equipment.
Im going to purchase a new bigger compressor this year a 5hp 80 gal 15cfm
My goals are to have enough air to of course run standard air tools and a DA but I also want to start painting and sand blasting.
With this commpressor power do you think I could sand blast projects as large as a full size truck frame? Plus what kind of sand blaster would you recommend?

It will get it done, but it will be slow going.. You will have to wait for it to catch up.. I have Two 5 hp 80 gal compressor going, one to start pumping up the other when it starts to get low and then the other kicks on.. Of course they are both cast iron, I dont like these late model Aluminum pumped ones..

Finally got the passenger quarter patches done..

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That pretty much is all the metal work for the body now, I still have to fix some little holes in the floor board.. Atleast I can start the process of getting it straight and in primer.. :D

I bought a original Upper rear body panel off of ebay, I got it for 15.00 plus 8.99 shipping.. :D

No dents, had some pits on the bottom side, still much better then the one that was on it... :D

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POR the bottom of it..
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Stripped and primed..
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I got around to doing the bodywork on the passenger side quarter..

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New Parts, thanks to protour f-body

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Well, I talk to my engine builder today.. I am building a 454 4 bolt main with a forged steel 402 crank, 427 pistons .. Make it a high revving BBC(7000rpm) with a 600 lift cam on 110 lsa Brodix 119cc camber oval port heads, Brodix Intake with a 850 Holley..

I bought a spoiler off of ebay for 60 bucks that had a boogered up corner..

Here it is mounted on the car..
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and the repair..
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Here is the pic from before I fix it..
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I have a strip the paint off the rest and block it out, this thing is pretty wavey..

Very inspiring. Makes me even more ready for the upcoming 3day weekend so I can get started back on mine!

I have to order a crap load of parts before I get to much further..

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were did you get this patch panel? would like to know if it fits threw 81? this is the patch panel that i need on both sides of my 79. how is the fit and quality with the body line? thanks for any help. if you would just send me a pm with any answers that you may have

Brandon

I bought it though Classic Industries and they where not very good peices.. I had to really do some major work to it to fit.. the bodyline was good but the rest I had to change to fit the car..

That's allot of nice body work!!

I bought it though Classic Industries and they where not very good peices.. I had to really do some major work to it to fit.. the bodyline was good but the rest I had to change to fit the car..


Thanks for your help.

No Problem, I try to help.. :D

Not to much to update on. I ordered the Hotchkis TVS, Boyd Coddington wheels, Moog tie rod ends, Z51 Front Brake Kit, Painless Wiring harness, Brodix Heads, Dart Intake, and Global West Upper Control Arms and a rebuild kit for the Lower Control Arms.. Also, Marksparks(a member here) had a drivers door for my car, so it will be sent today...

This is the only actual work I have done to the car, I fix the dents in the rear body panel..


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Looks good! Question. What are you going to do with the seems between the quarters and tail panel? I know originally they were seem sealed on the top.

Im going to leave them like they are, they are stress points.. If I filled them they would crack..

Nice work. I wish I could do that.

mike, your door is still here. there is still time, left in the day also. time didn't stand still just for us, my friend. So glad to have been able to help out a true stand up man.Sorry that i pound off the leg work on to your,already busy days. thanks.

Im going to leave them like they are, they are stress points.. If I filled them they would crack..

not if you do it correctly, I had mine filled in......with metal, they were welded and smoothed

not if you do it correctly, I had mine filled in......with metal, they were welded and smoothed

Doesnt bother me any that they are left alone..

Parts for the Camaro.. :D

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I have to get the subframe out from under it and send it out to get it sandblasted by a guy that owes me.. The Control Arms will be here Monday along with the Hood.. Im still waiting on the front brakes kit, should look pretty good.. I bought Z51 brakes for the front and got the calipers in Silver and I was kind of pissed because SSBC rear brake kit comes in a goldish color and I was going to have to send them out to get done silver , when I opened the box for the SSBC rear brake kit I saw that the calipers are silver.. WOOT!!! One less thing I have to worry about.. :D

not if you do it correctly, I had mine filled in......with metal, they were welded and smoothed

I wanted mine welded in too, but my painter didn't recommend it for the same reason Throttle mentioned above. It's not like he was trying to get out of it, since he charged by the hour. Personally, I think it would have been fine welded up and smoothed out, but then I'm not a body and paint guy.

Parts for the Camaro.. :D

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WOO HOO!!

Its almost like Christmas in yer garage...

WOO HOO!!

Its almost like Christmas in yer garage...


Credit Card will do that.. :D

Door finally showed up in one peice after DHL trying to find my shop 3 days in a row, thanks again Mark Sparks for the awsome deal.. :D

P.S.- DHL SUCKS!!!!
I wouldnt even wish this kind of crap on an enemy.. It took 4 days in a row just to get them to understand that I wanted to pay for a item that is getting shipped to me.. It took 4 days for them to believe me that there is a 1019 Roy Creek Trail(where my shop is) and then they kept changing their stories on why it wasnt delivered and sitting at the Depot..The most messed up part is that they have shipped to me before.. :confused:

Thank God that is over with..

The Upper and Lower Global West Control Arms should be here on Monday..

Started messing with the fenders today..The Passengerside fender is pretty rough but nuthing I cant fix..

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Mike,
Sorry about the DHL,Thanks for handling the shipping part. no money traded hands,that's good also.Hope it works out good for you. It was cool to get to know another member,and make a friend.!! I'm glad i could help!!!! Hey how did the bilboard make it..

Throttle great job on the repairs....

Keep at it... it is looking real good

Thanks..

Im almost done with metal work, I have to fix some holes in the other fender(nuthing like the passenger fender) and the core support.. My little brother will tackle the holes in the floor maybe today since he owes me some time for working on his car.. :D

oh by the way where did you get the stud gun from for pulling those dents. I really need to invest in one since i have have dents to pull.

I have replaced as much sheetmetal as you in my project. Almost done myself with all that.

Keep pluggin away....;)

I am looking forward to seeing this car once you have it in paint.

I have replaced as much sheetmetal as you in my project. Almost done myself with all that.


Ya think??? :confused: LOL

Good jod on patching the fender. I found it funny someone would actualy paint the car with holes in it like that.

Ya think??? :confused: LOL

Good jod on patching the fender. I found it funny someone would actualy paint the car with holes in it like that.


Ya I think so ;)

Throttle is doing a great job on the sheetmetal repairs... Been there and done that ;) What a pain but we are keeping another one from being crushed :)

Keep it up Throttle... Big thumbs up!!!!!!!

Ya think??? :confused: LOL

Good jod on patching the fender. I found it funny someone would actualy paint the car with holes in it like that.

That isnt painted, it is just Epoxy to keep the metal from rusting when I put it in storage..

The Control Arms and Hood Showed up today, the hood looks pretty good.. Hopefully it will fit good also..

oh by the way where did you get the stud gun from for pulling those dents. I really need to invest in one since i have have dents to pull.



Rich, you can get them from harborfreight and all over ebay and autobodytoolmart.com

Rich, you can get them from harborfreight and all over ebay and autobodytoolmart.com

Yeah, I forgot to reply with that, sorry..

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The Global West Control Arms
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Driver Fender Patch Work..
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wow. i need to learn how to weld in the next years. once ive got my own garage im learning to weld and cut my own stuff.

p.s.

-bows to your skills-

Thanks, yeah it helps alot when it comes to being able to do the project because it makes it alot cheaper.. If I didnt have this shop and was having some else do this work, I would already have 3 times the money in this thing..

Great progress, Mike. I'll have pics of your brakes up over the weekend.

Ed

Giggity Giggity.. ALRIGHT!!!

I ordered the Moser 12 bolt today, that took a chunk out of the pocket. Hopefully I will not have to do it again..

Nice work, especially when you will repair those fronts instead of buying re-pops...Pretty cool!

That was my goal, not to buy in repop panels for this car.. The only thing that is repop on the car is the driver quarter and small patch panels..

Fenders have the first stage of bodywork done to them..

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As promised here's a couple pics of Mike's brakes. I have a small bit of detail work to do on them prior to shipping, the rotors came with a protective black coating in the center section that came off during the zinc coating so I'll touch that up to make it look better. 13.4" Z51 setup with calipers powdercoated in gloss silver:

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Ed

Thanks.. :D

Fenders are in there first prime..

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Hi Mike, here's the finished product. Sorry but they didn't ship today, I got held up late at work. I'll PM you soon.

Ed

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Thanks..

fenders are looking good!

so are the brakes!!

She is coming together nicely:D

Yep, now if it would come together a little faster PLEASE!!! :D

Those fenders turned out great!!

Thanks

Well, finally got my order in for the Hooker Super Comp Headers, Brodix Heads, All the Auto Meter Gauges(Speedo, Tach, Oil Pressure, Fuel, Nitrous Pressure,Volt, Water Temp,and Fuel Pressure), Lokar Speedo Cable, Dart Intake, and BBC Bolt Kit.. I still need to order the March Pullie Setup and carb.. That will be next month, ir I might wait till I start to put the motor in..

Pic of the car all slapped together.. :D Now it needs to come all come apart so I can send the subframe out to get blasted so I can paint it.. :D

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Pic of the Rear Wheels.. :D
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mmmm nice wheels.

SWEET!!! Good skills on the fenders!

I recieved one of my orders today, almost time for this thing to get its heart.. :D

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I got my headers too, but I didnt take a pic of them..

Cool toys!

Yeah, im getting excited.. :D I have had this car for 11 years and it only took a guy in a 18wheeler trying to kill me on my motorcycle to get it done.. :rolleyes:

Well, it wont be done.. It will be much close then it was.. :D Im thinking running and then I will get the paint on it..

This is to cool, a guy here in town have a 1971 Formula that I can buy from him for 1000.00 and it is all there.. :D I might have a Pontiac pretty soon also.. :D

great work so far!!

Thanks..

Can't wait to see it on the road and at the shows! :cool:

Did I miss the part where you said what color its going to be? Looks good so far! I wish I had half your body work skills!

Also, it looks like you have some other cool projects hanging out in the background!

Nice!

Excellent thread!! Thanks for sharing.

Did I miss the part where you said what color its going to be? Looks good so far! I wish I had half your body work skills!

Also, it looks like you have some other cool projects hanging out in the background!

Nice!

It is going to be a Cloisonne Blue(1996 Corvette GS) with White w/Silver Pearl Stripes..

Yeah, most are customer's cars
1963 Corvette
1969 Corvette
1951 Ford Woody Wagon
1937 Packard Limo
1968 Shelby GT500
1964 Impala
1966 GTO
1966 Charger
1957 Thunderbird
1984 Corvette
1954 GMC 5 window
1949 Cadillac Hurst Flower Car
1950 Cadillac
1974? Scout II
1969 Lincoln Cont

Our Cars
1972 Camaro
1967 Camaro
1970 Chevelle
1973 Dart Swinger
1988 Mustang Hatchback
1989 Mustang Notch
1955 Chevy Sedan Delivery
1962 Chevy C-10
1970 Olds 442
1972 Chevy Blazer
1982 GMC Sierra
2000 GMC Sierra
1978 Chevy 3/4 ton Truck
1995 Ford Dually
1994 Nissan Sentra
1979 Chevy Big 10

Motorcycles:
2007 Suzuki GSXR 750
2006 Kawasaki ZX636R
2007 Harley FLHRC
1963 Harley Panhead Dresser (FLH Duo-Glide)

I recieved my brakes today, I was thinking I was going to have to grind the fins off the Vette brakes. Nope, I dont.. I do how ever have to space the wheel out about a 1/4 inch so that the caliper doesnt hit the wheel at the front of the brake.. :( Im glad I got that extra back spacing on the wheels.. :D

I also recieved my Moser 12 bolt today.. GIGGITY!!

Do you have a money tree growing in your back yard? I’m jealous of all your new toys. Progress is coming along quite nicely.

Do you have a money tree growing in your back yard? I’m jealous of all your new toys. Progress is coming along quite nicely.

Nope, just almost die because of someone else and they had to pay for that, now im building my car.. The rest of the cars we have bought off of people that just got over there heads and wanted to get out... :D

I recieved my brakes today, I was thinking I was going to have to grind the fins off the Vette brakes...

No offense, but I sure as hell hope not. Those are powdercoated you know. If you have any issues with fitment and need to break out the grinder let me know and we'll go another route, no need to do anything drastic and I've got many more on hand :)

Ed

No offense, but I sure as hell hope not. Those are powdercoated you know. If you have any issues with fitment and need to break out the grinder let me know and we'll go another route, no need to do anything drastic and I've got many more on hand :)

Ed

Nah, no need.. I was just worried about it after I had talk to a couple of people from around here.. They will be fine, I just have to get a small spacer so that they will clear the spokes..

New Rearend

Moser 12 bolt
33 spline axles
upgraded yoke and cover
3.73 gears
Detroit Locker

I mocked it up with the brakes on it to be sure it would be the right length before I painted it.. Then I painted it with Detail Grey and started to put it back together... I also got rid of the dust shields on the brakes, they are worthless..

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Painted
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I also mocked up the wheels to the car..
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D@mn that looks nice.... Oh by the way excellent job on those fenders, hope mine turn out that good.

Thanks, I dont know what it is.. I have noticed that any car I do any metal work to after 69, the metal on them just seem thinner, hard to weld and keep from warping and just plain dirty metal..

I never noticed this till one of my friends brought it to my attention.. The wheels on my Car are alot like the wheels on my truck.. I didnt even mean for that to happen..
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^ lucky.

Did the gauge cluster today..

I had to trim away the gauge surrounds and then bolt them in, pretty easy actually.. :D

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I like the fact that you used the factory piece because I think they have a nicer look to them than some of the aftermarket pieces. Could you please show some pictures from behind and maybe some side shots of the smaller gauges, it’s hard to actually see how they are sitting because of what looks to be shadows on the left and right sides. Be nice to see how it’s going to look installed in the dash as well. Nice work.

Looks good mike !! are your tach & speedo 5" er's I'd like to see the back side as well if ya don't mined fro you put it back togather. please.

like the mosr to, what gears???

I will take pics when I get back home today after running some errands.. The Moser has 3.73 gears in it with a Detroit Locker in it..

Sorry about taken so long, I have been busy.. I also didnt take a pic from the back because I havent finished it yet.. :D


You have to trim away at the top and bottom to make the 2 1/16 gauges fit.. I will take them back out and paint it after I make the braces for the back..


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Gauge cluster looks great. Pics are going to be a great help for me.

I have to tell you that all of you guys are an insperation for what seem to be impossible. I follow the links and learn. I'm not the computer aficianadio that some of you guys are but I'm anxious to post some pics. I too have a 72 and I am learning alot, thanks to all. If I have spare parts that someone else can use I will be giving them away. Hail to the Nasty and all that support her.

I have to tell you that all of you guys are an insperation for what seem to be impossible. I follow the links and learn. I'm not the computer aficianadio that some of you guys are but I'm anxious to post some pics. I too have a 72 and I am learning alot, thanks to all. If I have spare parts that someone else can use I will be giving them away. Hail to the Nasty and all that support her.

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Gauges Look Good Mike !

Throttle I just went through you whole thread awesome work . Your project will be great when your done. Nice top end your putting on your motor should make some nice power. Keep the pictures coming very interesting reading.
Wayne

Thanks, Im hoping I will have it done by the end of the year.. I atleast want to have it done before my 30th birthday(January 26 2009).. The top end will go with the bottom end very nicely.. :D

496 stroker in a 4 bolt 454 block and 4.385 rods and 10.1 compression so that I can run pump gas and my motor builder claims it will have 675hp.. I plan on running a 250 shot when I get it together while I am building the turbo kit for it Garrett Turbo'sGT47-T88. All together should make about 1000 to the wheel on high boost(18psi)..Also, the whole bottom end will be studded with ARP stud kit ..

I had to send my wheels back, they had little pits in them that I didnt notice when I first looked at them.. So they had to send them back and get them fix or replaced.. :(

I welded in the spacers for the rearend..

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Now i just need to get it uner the car soon.. :D

Man, I have enjoyed the heck out of this thread!!! Can't wait to see the rest of the story on this one. Great work!

Very nice progress. I can't wait to see it in color. That Moser rear end is awesome. I'm going to have my original one rebuilt. I did go with Moser's axles. Why did you have to weld in a spacer? Just curious. I'm learning a lot just looking at the pics.

Very nice progress. I can't wait to see it in color. That Moser rear end is awesome. I'm going to have my original one rebuilt. I did go with Moser's axles. Why did you have to weld in a spacer? Just curious. I'm learning a lot just looking at the pics.


I really with I would have taken a pic before I welded the spacers in, this would be a whole lot easier to explain.. :D

The factory differential has a triangle shape for the factory rubber spacer to slide into, the Moser is flat with a hole in it..

I ordered more parts today..

CCA-1021-16 Rocker Arms, Stud Mount, Full Roller, Aluminum, 1.7 Ratio, Fits 7/16 in. Stud, Chevy, Big Block, Set of 16
CCA-11-450-8 Camshaft, Hydraulic Roller Tappet, Advertised Duration 290/290, Lift .578/.578, Chevy, Big Block,

CCA-887-16 Lifters, Hydraulic Roller, Vertical Link Bar, Chevy, Set of 16

HLY-12-802-1 Fuel Pump, Electric, Rotor/Vane, Blue Logo, External, Aluminum/Polished, Regulator Included, Universal, Kit

MCH-23072 Pulley Kit, Serpentine, Aluminum, Clear Powdercoated, Chevy, Big Block, Kit

MOR-20460 Oil Pan, Steel, Clear Zinc, 8 qt., Chevy, Big Block, Each

MSD-6420 Ignition Box, MSD 6AL, Analog CD, with Rev Limiter, Red, Each

MSD-8202 Ignition Coil, Blaster 2, Canister, Round, Oil Filled, Red, 45,000 V, Each

MSD-85551 Distributor, Pro-Billet, Magnetic Trigger, Mechanical Advance, Chevy, Big/Small Block, Each

PRF-80205 Warning Light, Performance, Lens/Green, .312 in. Diameter, Each

PRF-80206 Warning Light, Performance, Lens/Blue, .312 in. Diameter, Each

I ordered more parts today..

CCA-1021-16 Rocker Arms, Stud Mount, Full Roller, Aluminum, 1.7 Ratio, Fits 7/16 in. Stud, Chevy, Big Block, Set of 16
CCA-11-450-8 Camshaft, Hydraulic Roller Tappet, Advertised Duration 290/290, Lift .578/.578, Chevy, Big Block,

CCA-887-16 Lifters, Hydraulic Roller, Vertical Link Bar, Chevy, Set of 16

HLY-12-802-1 Fuel Pump, Electric, Rotor/Vane, Blue Logo, External, Aluminum/Polished, Regulator Included, Universal, Kit

MCH-23072 Pulley Kit, Serpentine, Aluminum, Clear Powdercoated, Chevy, Big Block, Kit

MOR-20460 Oil Pan, Steel, Clear Zinc, 8 qt., Chevy, Big Block, Each

MSD-6420 Ignition Box, MSD 6AL, Analog CD, with Rev Limiter, Red, Each

MSD-8202 Ignition Coil, Blaster 2, Canister, Round, Oil Filled, Red, 45,000 V, Each

MSD-85551 Distributor, Pro-Billet, Magnetic Trigger, Mechanical Advance, Chevy, Big/Small Block, Each

PRF-80205 Warning Light, Performance, Lens/Green, .312 in. Diameter, Each

PRF-80206 Warning Light, Performance, Lens/Blue, .312 in. Diameter, Each


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I also fix the holes in the floor..

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I didnt take a pic, but I did vaccum out the frame rail and POR15 it..

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Now I just have to fixed the front pan.. Damn little holes..

Dont know how ive been missing this thread but very nice work, keep at it.
I have a question.................where did you get that rear floor pan that goes under the rear seat? Me and some other members have been looking for these for a long time.
Thanks
Guy

I bought them from Classic Industries, they are the whole pan for both sides..

Part#
RH-C6580
LH-C6581

oh ok, I thought thats what they might be. I was hoping someplace started making just the pan for under the rear seats.

Put the wheels on the Camaro the other day to check fitment.. Looks pretty good if I say so myself.. :D

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I want to put the new suspension and brakes on so bad, but I dont want to put all that stuff on till after I get it in its last stage of primer and ready for paint..

Looks good mike!

Thanks, I still havent messed with the door I got from you.. One thing I did notice is that the idiots dropped it on its top edge and bent the top of the door.. I will get to it in the next couple of weeks, since it and the spoiler are the only to things that I havent got too..

No way,It got dropped. Man that sucks big time. Should have said something,we and still do have tons of pics of the door.Dang that was a good door to,The glass was still ok.Sorry to hear that mike! Well at least you didn't have to much money in it. Still sucks!!

Love the shots of your dash setup, I'll be doing much the same myself very soon.

That will soon be a very very nice Camaro!

No way,It got dropped. Man that sucks big time. Should have said something,we and still do have tons of pics of the door.Dang that was a good door to,The glass was still ok.Sorry to hear that mike! Well at least you didn't have to much money in it. Still sucks!!

I was just glad that they finally found the place after telling me that there is no such address for 5 days..:mad:


DHL SUCKS!!!

Love the shots of your dash setup, I'll be doing much the same myself very soon.

That will soon be a very very nice Camaro!

Thanks..

Dont know how ive been missing this thread but very nice work, keep at it.
I have a question.................where did you get that rear floor pan that goes under the rear seat? Me and some other members have been looking for these for a long time.
Thanks
Guy
Somehow I missed this one too. Looks awesome + all those other adjectives I can't use cuz were not in SP. Can't wait to see the finished product on this one!

Awesome thread you do very nice work. The wheels look sweet.
Wayne

Thanks.. I havent worked on it in a couple of weeks, I needed a break.. :D

I finally started to mess with the door I recieved from MarkSparks here at Nasty.. It turns out that the door was worse then I thought, when it left Mark's home it was in pretty good shape, then DHL got their hands on it.. That is where it goes down hill.. :(

They droped it on every corner and front and back, the window crank area is caved in.. The door is pretty much destoryed, so I decided to fix the door on the car..


Mark's Door.
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My Door.

It was much worse then this, I just didnt take a picture.. It took me a couple of hours to get it to where it would take the least amount of filler(1/8 thick).
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I also did the spolier while I was at it..
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I went ahead and did another sand on the door and spoiler, I didnt like how they turned out..

The line wasnt bad but I decided to make sure it was perfect, I had a couple of high spots I need to take car of also.. :D

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It can now go on the car..
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that car is going to look so good! LOVE the wheels!!!

Im so glad im through the first stage of bodywork, the rest of the bodywork will be so easy..

Throttle, the car is looking real good. That sucks about the donar door. I have a question. What trick is that with the tape over the body line? I 'm guessing you sand up to the tape to provide a crisp edge? Just curious. I don't know much about body work and I'm planning on doing my own. Thanks, Russ

Awesome thread/build/car.....I've enjoyed reading through all 11 pages so far, and cant wait to see more!

Yeah, that can assure you a nice straight line(as long as you know how to put the tape down straight).. I didnt really need to do it, but I did it anyways to show how it is done.. :D

Mike,
Man you know that door left here in good shape,yes. I still have all the pic's of it i sent you.

I can't beleave that DHL would have f'd it up that bad.

And i was so excited that i was able to help out. And that's what happened.

Mike i'm so sorry that this has happened.

Its OK, I can still use alot of parts off of it.. :D

Progress looks great....

Thanks,mike it just sux that's all. People just don't have any respect for anything any more.

Thats some quality work right there.That door looks laser straight.But I dont think you can do it again.Youre gonna have to show me on my dinged up doors!J/K Good work mang!

Thats some quality work right there.That door looks laser straight.But I dont think you can do it again.Youre gonna have to show me on my dinged up doors!J/K Good work mang!

I do it for a living so it take nuthing for me to do it..:crazy:

Nuthins what I got brutha!A warm house and your favorite beer/whiskey.You like Pennsylvania forests in the fall?HAHAHA

How bad can it be, lets see some pics??

Im just jokin.Its not bad at all.Just some dings on both sides in the center crease.I am getting ready to totally strip them and epoxy them.Hope I dont get any surprises.

Im just jokin.Its not bad at all.Just some dings on both sides in the center crease.I am getting ready to totally strip them and epoxy them.Hope I dont get any surprises.

Suprises SUCK!!

I finally got my last order from Summit today.. I recieved my 8" ATI Balancer and Comp Cam Timing Cover and B&M Flywheel. All I still have to get is the Carb and and the Fitting to connect the fuel lines..

I was getting all my parts organized and just cleaning up my shop when I saw my spindles and decided I didnt like them black, I have never been a fan of all black suspensions.. So, I took them apart and sandblasted them and painted them Spray Gray..

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Also, a pic of the new Timing Chain Cover I bought along with a new ATI Super Damper..
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sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

The grey does look good

Thanks..

I cant wait till I get all the suspension under the car..

Looks good! Question. What are you going to do with the seems between the quarters and tail panel? I know originally they were seem sealed on the top.

just my o2 cuz im a noob, but what if you welded them from inside the trunk for the most support.

also just curious how much a build like this would cost?

also just curious how much a build like this would cost?

Well, im guessing I will have about 35,000 in parts on it before it is done and the labor would match that easily..

You could do it alot cheaper, I have replace just about every running gear peice(tranny, engine, rearend, brakes, and suspension)..There is nuthing on this car that is factory other then the body panels.. You could save probably 10,000 easy by using the parts that came with the car.. This car is not only for me to enjoy, but also to show the quality work that my shop does.. So I am taken it to the limit.

1000hp 496 on the juice-check
Stop on a dime-check
turn like it is on rails-check
Have Ice blowing out of the vents-check

and to make peoples jaws drop-this will be a check once it is done.. :D

just my o2 cuz im a noob, but what if you welded them from inside the trunk for the most support.

They would still probably leak, if you know what you are doing nobody would see the sealer on there anyways..

thanx for the advice. this build up of your car is one that i will be looking at a lot when i go to do mine. mine needs complete overhauling. but i have never done anything like this before. the hardest part about it is gettin the money. lol

Hey Throttle any updates on the car...

Inquiring minds want to know ;)

Hey Throttle any updates on the car...

Inquiring minds want to know ;)

Still waiting on the motor parts to show, the Forged Crank, Aluminum Timing Chain Cover, showed up. Still waiting on the Rods, Pistons, Rings and Main Bearing to show.. :( I havent been able to work on my part of the car because I messed up my back two weeks ago and then this next week I have JURY DUTY!!! I have been summons for Jury Duty 5 damn times now.. :(

Im to the point on the car to where I just need to get the front end off and sandblast the subframe and put the new suspension under the damn thing.. I will get back to it again soon, just need to get some otherr BS out of the way..

Pulled everything off the firewall, now I just have to make patches and weld them in for the delete for the A/C and Heater Box.. My Little Brother's Girlfriend decided she was going to pull the all that off for me while I started to do the second stage of bodywork..

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cool, she's wearing Motorhead shorts and is a Motor head !!

i am all in support of hot women working on cars!
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need to buy mine some of those boxers. ;)

Nice!!!


I pulled the old engine and tranny today after work, now im just waiting on the 496 to be done.. :D

Well, I have alot of work before that.. I talked to the guy that does my sand blasting for me and he said he will do the subframe for free..

Started messing with the fenders today..The Passengerside fender is pretty rough but nuthing I cant fix..

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Hey man, First off nice work!

I've got a fender with damage in those same locations and wanted to ask a few ?'s about how you went about repairing this one.

First, is the top patch (black one) in the above photo from an aftermarket lower patch panel? If so, why did you make two patches instead of just using the entire lower portion of the aftermarket patch panel? Thicker sheet metal on the bottom?

If it is not aftermarket, what did you use to make the shape of the contour to match the rest of the fender, and did you have to use an english wheel or any special tool(s) to form the lower half of the patch.

Did you replace parts of the inner support sections as it looks like you can see through parts of that too?

Finally, what is the best way (tools) to use to shape the filler in area's with body lines and contours like there are on the lower body line?

traitor. that looks like a fox body next to the camaro..

Hey man, First off nice work!

I've got a fender with damage in those same locations and wanted to ask a few ?'s about how you went about repairing this one.

First, is the top patch (black one) in the above photo from an aftermarket lower patch panel? If so, why did you make two patches instead of just using the entire lower portion of the aftermarket patch panel? Thicker sheet metal on the bottom?

If it is not aftermarket, what did you use to make the shape of the contour to match the rest of the fender, and did you have to use an english wheel or any special tool(s) to form the lower half of the patch.

Did you replace parts of the inner support sections as it looks like you can see through parts of that too?

Finally, what is the best way (tools) to use to shape the filler in area's with body lines and contours like there are on the lower body line?

Answers:

#1- I use a peice of a aftermarket quarter panel and used my metal break to make the body lines.. I just bent it around my leg slowly to make the right curve..

#2- Yes I did replace most of the inner fender support and put POR15 on it.. I didnt take pics of that..

#3- I use a sanding board, you can buy them from eastwood..

traitor. that looks like a fox body next to the camaro..

That is my Little Brother's car, it is in my garage.. :D

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But I do have a 1989 Mustang Notchback.. :p

Thanks for the responces, I'm trying to gain as much knowledge as possible to make good decisions on my car.
I am a rookie on the filler stuff so I am attempting to get a better understanding on that aspect.

So a metal break can make complex curves? I thought it was to make right angle bends. Do you happen to have a pic or link to one of the sanding board?

Also, why did you use two pieces of patch panels for the bottom?

Thanks,

Thanks for the responces, I'm trying to gain as much knowledge as possible to make good decisions on my car.
I am a rookie on the filler stuff so I am attempting to get a better understanding on that aspect.

So a metal break can make complex curves? I thought it was to make right angle bends. Do you happen to have a pic or link to one of the sanding board?

Also, why did you use two pieces of patch panels for the bottom?

Thanks,

I actually didnt notice the rust up higher and I had already started the patch on the bottom.. So I just made another one.. I use the break to make the body line and I use my thigh to do the rest of the curve for the fender patch..

These are what I use most of the time..

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OK thanks throttle

OK thanks throttle

np..

Wow that mustang is sweet!! Those wheels look killer on that car!

Wow that mustang is sweet!! Those wheels look killer on that car!

Yeah, I bought those wheels for him.. It has a Ford Motorsport 306 with ported heads, Comp Cam, Upgraded Rockers,Underdrive Pulleys, and intake w/ BBK Throttle Body on it , small cam, Shorty Headers, Off Road H Pipe, SVO Front brakes and SuperCoupe Rear disc, Moser Axles, 3.73 with T-Lok, and Upgraded Injectors and Fuel Pump.. That is all I can think of.. He ran a 12.8@ 109 before the 3.73's(had2.73's) and ported heads and intake.. It has Ford Motorsport Springs, sway bars and Adjustable camber plates in it for suspension.. For looks it has Mach 1 Replica Wheels(Front:17x9 w/ 245.45.17/Rear:17x10.5 Deep Dish w/ 285/40/17's), Steeda Spoiler(not pictured) and he plans on getting a 82-86 hood scoop once we can find one..

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Ok it's official... I have rear endvy.

^^^Hahahaha that makes #2 of us LOL

Yeah, I cant wait to get all the goodies on the car once I get the subframe and bodywork done..

Second stage of bodywork complete.. I now have to get primer on it and do the last stage and then paint the jambs and firewall.. Its getting there..

Good for you michael !!!!!!

pic's....we need pic's

pic's....we need pic's

Nuthing to really take pics of, it looks the same as before.. Grey.. :D

Once I get the firewall welded up I will take some pics..

By the way, I still havent received my center caps from discount.. It has been since March that I bought these wheels and the messed up the center caps when they got them.. I guess Im going to have to go into Bitch Mod to get the damn things..

Hey, what did you use to grind the welds down so even and smooth on the fender here?

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I used my small grinder that takes 3 inch disc with 50 grit on it..

I used my small grinder that takes 3 inch disc with 50 grit on it..

What kind is it and where can I get one? Or do you have a pic what it looks like? That looks so much better than using the cut off wheel or the grinder I have that has the darn lock nut in the middle where you cannot get flat on the welds.

This isnt what I have but it is much cheaper.. :D

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Yea, I can afford that LOL...I hope

Thanks.

Nice work

Well, I am having a small issue with the pics.. :( My Computer went down and when I put the systems back on it, it wont work with the camera.. :(

I got it to work..

Here it is outside my little shop at my house, didnt feel like pushing over to the main shop.. Suprisingly enough, I had no dirt in the primer and it all went well.. Now I have to make panels to fill the holes in the firewall and finish the passenger floor pan and then I am done with metal work.. I still need to do the second stage of bodywork on the nose and start trying to fit that damn hood.

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Lookin Good. Keep me up to date.

Chris

Looks good keep the updates coming

i love your pait booth. wish the epa would let me do that in the driveway! looking good!

i love your pait booth. wish the epa would let me do that in the driveway! looking good!

I have a actual paint booth across the street, just didnt have any help to push it over there.. It will get pushed over there for the last coat of primer and paint..

Looking good Michael:)

Looking good Michael:)

Thanks, I getting all gitty and im not anywhere close to done.. I just know I will be getting it jambed up and the motor should be here pretty soon..:cool:

I just went through all these pages. And I can say I am impressed, very nice work you are doing

Finally got around to finishing the floor.. Now that it is getting cold out, I can do more of the welding..

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The Motor is still at the motor builders, no word on when it will be ready.. :(

Floor patches look great! Nice job as usual. I noticed you have a regulator on the cut off wheel, what gives?

BTW I see you sold the Olds...how much for vehicle #3 in the Sig??? :shy:

BTW I see you sold the Olds...how much for vehicle #3 in the Sig??? :shy:

I dont think I would ever sell that car, it is my long term project.. When I find parts for it, I buy them, or try atleast..:mad:

Floor patches look great! Nice job as usual. I noticed you have a regulator on the cut off wheel, what gives?

My Compressor pumps up to 185psi and if you didnt turn it down it would blow the disks apart..

Nuthing much done in the last couple of weeks.. I put my gauge cluster the rest of the way together and bought a 8" Dual Diaphram Booster and 2000+ GM Master Cylinder and made the lines to go to my disc/disc prop valve..

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I have been spending alot of time getting this car out of the shop..
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Lovin the progress!

makin notes here..

Here is the brake booster and master setup all painted and ready to come back off so I can paint the firewall and I redid the shifter..



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and the Shifter before and after, I havent finished the handle yet..


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Looks great, nice progress

Finally got around to finishing the floor.. Now that it is getting cold out, I can do more of the welding..


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Hey Throttle,
Is that piece you patched with the american piece,or the regular one blasted clean?Looks good by the way.

If I am understanding your question right.. Both of those patch panels are from the Classic Industries Floor Pan I got..

Yeah,no biggie.They offer both.One full pan (USA) and then the reg.repop one.I used the repop one.

Yeah, I bought the full passenger floor pan from front to back..

Looks great! Keep up the good good work, and keep us posted (with pics) of your progress. I hate fitting hoods too, some didnt fit that great even when they were new.

nice work how far are you from Staten Island, NY I have a 80 that needs some tlc would like to talk prices

even im excited about how that things gonna turn out... whats the sizes of your rear tires?? and what kinda tranny are ya goin with?? i apologize if i missed those details somewhere in this post... great work

The rear tires are a 315/35/17 at the momment, These tires are not as wide as the 315/35/17 MT Street Radial II I plan on putting on it after everything is said and done.. The Tranny is a TH400 with all the goodings in it with a 3200 stall Streetfighter converter from TCI.. I was told it will hold the power I plan to put down on the bottle(850+hp) and later date 91mm Garrett Turbo(1100+hp)..

nice work how far are you from Staten Island, NY I have a 80 that needs some tlc would like to talk prices

Very Far... I live in Texas, but I have alot of family that live in Hunter by the Katskills(sp)..

Here are a couple more peices from under the dash and for the front brake lines that I sandblasted and painted so they are ready to put back in when I get there..

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Wow Michael! I am finally motivated to work on mine! Thanks for the inspiration! Only took me a year to start on my '72....BBC with 250 shot also...;)

Throttle, Looking good, I thought I was the only one who painted the under dash brackets.:)

Nope, you are not alone.. I believe that Rust is the devil and if it had it, it doesnt anymore.. :D

Wow Michael! I am finally motivated to work on mine! Thanks for the inspiration! Only took me a year to start on my '72....BBC with 250 shot also...;)

Nice...:bowtie:

I did some more little stuff today.. I sandblasted and painted the hood hinges and Hood Latch.. I was going to put the hood on to start fitting it and noticed that the hood was not very nice where it went over the mold with the extra fiberglass, so I trimmed it down.. It looks alot better now, now I just need to get it to look better when it is on the car.. Which is what I will start on tomorrow..

Pics in a little while, Camera died on me.. :(

Here are the pics, I think I might cut some more off..

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Not finished yet.. but you get the point..

What manufacturers hood is that?

It is a Harwood..

I was looking at it and decided to make the Hood Bumper on the front and rear work on this hood.. I will be putting some Dzus Fastners on it just incase also..

It is a Harwood..
That sucks you have to work on it to get it to fit.I was under the impression the bigger name companies sent you a finished product.Im sure youll make it look good.I do like how they finished the exposed cowl part,with the screens.Nothin fancy,but it looks good.I gotta figure out some thing for my cowl(steel) when the time comes.

That sucks you have to work on it to get it to fit.I was under the impression the bigger name companies sent you a finished product.Im sure youll make it look good.I do like how they finished the exposed cowl part,with the screens.Nothin fancy,but it looks good.I gotta figure out some thing for my cowl(steel) when the time comes.

It isnt bad, it actually fits really good for a fiberglass hood, but im going to make it fit like a factory.. It says you have to do some trimming around the edges to fit your car, no big deal..

Did some work on the hood, made the hood bumpers and seal work..

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Then I actually bolted the hood up for the first time.. :D
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Im going to lay some more fiberglass on there to fill in some of that gap..

Looking pretty slick Throttle. Great thread you got going. ? Is the driverside front corner up because of the bumper you installed or does the hood need tweakin'. Keep up the awsome work can't wait to see it done.

The Hood needs tweaking, I will fix that when I add to the sides..

Excellent work on the body,looks nice and straight.